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GOMU11_old
I have no idea what to expect out of MU next year. We all like looking at rankings and JUCO stats (I am as guilty as anyone), but we really dont know what these guys are going to contribute. We have seen Maymon dominate during his HS career...but this isnt HS any more, its the Big East. Other than Lazar, everything is relatively unknown.


They did get some help with the Big East schedule though.

"The best thing about freshman is they become sophomores." Al McGuire

"I never stepped out onto the field or walked off a field where I didn't feel like I did everything I could possibly do to be the best." Brett Favre


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hoopsgalore
derek wrote:


Quinnster10 wrote:


MWarrior2008 wrote:


I like both teams but I think Wisconsin will be better for both. Wisconsin has better depth and as we saw with last year's freshmen they can play. MU struggled with depth and it hurt them in the end last season. I also think the experience and knowledge of Bo Ryan is better than that of Buzz Williams. I have nothing against Buzz but I just think that Bo is the better coach. Hence why he is coaching Team USA this year.

Where he produced another under-achieving team in a tournament like atmosphere as the favored US team only gets the bronze.


Team USA was NOT favored to win the Gold.



In an article on ESPN talking about the final cuts made for the World University games, it stated that Ryan's team was deemed favorite to win the gold. However, the U-19 team was not picked to win the tournament down in New Zealand.
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hoopsgalore
Madcityspecial42 wrote:


MemorialBBall wrote:


Madcityspecial42 wrote:


MemorialBBall wrote:


Buckybacker wrote:


Gotta be the Badgers. Wisconsin has proven talent left on the team, while Marquette is going to be green as hell next season. MU fans, yes I realize that you have a great incoming class, with the best Juco player, but freshman can falter, and Minnesota's transfer Juco POY Devron Bostick put up 4 ppg and 1.5 rpg last season.

As for head to head, I also like Wisconsin's chances as the veteran team in a big game atmosphere.

As for the future, for Wisconsin it really depends on how recruiting shakes out. If they land Blue (or Wright), and subsequently Chasson Randle and Nnana Egwu in 2011, and then J.P. Tokoto, Bo would have a great 1-3 year window of opportunity to win a NC. But I think Bo coaches well enough to keep the B10 title contention and be a mild threat in the tourney for years to come if that doesn't happen. I dont follow MU closely enough to comment on their future and since Buzz doesn't have any coaching experience without the 3 Amigos for me to estimate.

Don't ever use National Championship with the Badgers....


Y not? they made it to Elite 8 in 05 losing to eventual champion and beast team NC....and they did it with star players FROM WI and midwest!? Bo Knows what he is doing, contrary to many ppls thought.? how many other teams have made the NCAA tourney every yr for the last, what is it, seven seasons? there time will come again when he is done rebuilding the personel, but the program is top 20 program in the country.


Don't get me wrong Bo's teams are always very fundementally sound and are usually very composed but in my opinion don't have the talent to compete with the rest of the country. It shows when they lost to Duke in 07' by?24?and were down way more than that and also were?knocked out by?Davidson 73-56 in the tournament. In 08' they did make some improvements by only losing to UCONN by 21 and Texas by 5. At the end of the day they can compete but not win so?I will agree with you they are always?a top 25 program but not a?National Championship Contender.


IMO if you are a top 25 program year in and year out you have an excellent shot at the title on any given year.? I mean, the yr UW went to the final four they were an 8 seed.? IM NOT saying i think they will win, but u gotta give them a shot within five yrs.? either way your statement was way too bold.


Lets wait until Bo Ryan actually reaches a Final Four in Division I before we start deeming him and his teams as a favorite to reach the title game and possibly win it.


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derek_old
hoopsgalore wrote:


derek wrote:


Quinnster10 wrote:


MWarrior2008 wrote:


I like both teams but I think Wisconsin will be better for both. Wisconsin has better depth and as we saw with last year's freshmen they can play. MU struggled with depth and it hurt them in the end last season. I also think the experience and knowledge of Bo Ryan is better than that of Buzz Williams. I have nothing against Buzz but I just think that Bo is the better coach. Hence why he is coaching Team USA this year.

Where he produced another under-achieving team in a tournament like atmosphere as the favored US team only gets the bronze.


Team USA was NOT favored to win the Gold.



In an article on ESPN talking about the final cuts made for the World University games, it stated that Ryan's team was deemed favorite to win the gold. However, the U-19 team was not picked to win the tournament down in New Zealand.


I guess it depends on what you read, but I read many articles that said the home country Serbia was the strong favorite.

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bb211
MemorialBBall wrote:


Madcityspecial42 wrote:


MemorialBBall wrote:


Buckybacker wrote:


Gotta be the Badgers. Wisconsin has proven talent left on the team, while Marquette is going to be green as hell next season. MU fans, yes I realize that you have a great incoming class, with the best Juco player, but freshman can falter, and Minnesota's transfer Juco POY Devron Bostick put up 4 ppg and 1.5 rpg last season.

As for head to head, I also like Wisconsin's chances as the veteran team in a big game atmosphere.

As for the future, for Wisconsin it really depends on how recruiting shakes out. If they land Blue (or Wright), and subsequently Chasson Randle and Nnana Egwu in 2011, and then J.P. Tokoto, Bo would have a great 1-3 year window of opportunity to win a NC. But I think Bo coaches well enough to keep the B10 title contention and be a mild threat in the tourney for years to come if that doesn't happen. I dont follow MU closely enough to comment on their future and since Buzz doesn't have any coaching experience without the 3 Amigos for me to estimate.

Don't ever use National Championship with the Badgers....


Y not? they made it to Elite 8 in 05 losing to eventual champion and beast team NC....and they did it with star players FROM WI and midwest! Bo Knows what he is doing, contrary to many ppls thought. how many other teams have made the NCAA tourney every yr for the last, what is it, seven seasons? there time will come again when he is done rebuilding the personel, but the program is top 20 program in the country.


Don't get me wrong Bo's teams are always very fundementally sound and are usually very composed but in my opinion don't have the talent to compete with the rest of the country. It shows when they lost to Duke in 07' by 24 and were down way more than that and also were knocked out by Davidson 73-56 in the tournament. In 08' they did make some improvements by only losing to UCONN by 21 and Texas by 5. At the end of the day they can compete but not win so I will agree with you they are always a top 25 program but not a National Championship Contender.


You have no idea what you're talking about if you're calling last season an improvement on the year prior. The 07-08 team was MUCH better than the 08-09 team.

You are not smarter than your favorite team's upper management, so stop trying to be.
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Buckybacker_old
I said window of opportunity because if they continue to get the type of recruits they have been targeting as of late (very athletic yet fundamentally sound), they will be able to run with the big dogs rather than barely keep up.

The tournament is a crap shoot, and the basketball gods haven't given them favorable draws in the two most recent seasons they had a legit chance (injured Butch, hot UNLV team and injured Hughes, Stephen Curry on fire). But if they get the recruits they are making priorities right now, the sky is the limit. Think about this line-up for the 2012-2013 season if they reland Blue, and add Randle, Tokoto, and Egwu...

PG - JR Vander Blue 6'4"
SG - SR Diamond Taylor 6'4"
SF - SR Ryan Evans 6'6"
PF - SR Mike Breusewitz 6'7"
C - SR Jared Berggren 6'10"
6 - JR Evan Anderson 6'11"
7 - SO Chasson Randle 6'2"
8 - FR J.P. Tokoto 6'4"
9 - SO Nnana Egwu 6'9"
10 - SO Devon Hodges 6'8"

That rotation is smaller, but quick, athletic, and skilled on both sides of the ball.
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LLegend4eva_old
Badgers should be better than last year. I don't think any of the seniors really brought too much leadership, well lead by example leadership like Krabbenhoft. But none of them really said "ok, im a senior, it's time to stop messin' around.'' No one really stepped up like they were capable of and quite frankly needed to. They should be better at PG, with Hughes improved, if not, Taylor can step in, he showed alot of potential with no gitters or bonehead plays like Hughes. Rob Wilson and Leuer should step up as the main scorers and if Keaton gains more confidence he could be a stud.
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