mickjagger
Saturday, 10/26/19

#13 Wisconsin at  #3-4  Ohio St

Ohio Stadium, Columbus, OH

Kickoff:  11:00 a.m. CDT

Television:  FOX (local channels)

Spread:  Buckeyes favored by 14.5 points


On Wisconsin !
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wiscopetty
I wish I could be optimistic about this game. Just about everything is pointing in Ohio State's favor, save for maybe the kick time.
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db11
wiscopetty wrote:
I wish I could be optimistic about this game. Just about everything is pointing in Ohio State's favor, save for maybe the kick time.


Everything about this game coming off the Illinois travesty tells me that UW will be in it into the fourth only to fall by two scores. Expect a backbreaking late turnover to seal it.

That's just Wisconsin football, folks.
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riseagainst
I feel surprisingly optimistic about this game. Not saying the badgers will win, but I think they will come to play tomorrow, and we’ll see where the chips fall from there.

The Illinois loss still baffles me. I’ve always felt Wisconsin’s defense is really good but not great with a so-so secondary that is always susceptible to huge pass plays if the front 7 isn’t getting pressure. Just didn’t think Illinois, of all teams, would expose it (along with huge runs). Not to mention the offense laying an egg against a terrible Illinois defense...just a brutal performance all around.

I actually think the timing of the loss couldn’t be better. Wisconsin came out with an embarrassing performance for the ages, heading into their biggest (and quite frankly only) test during the regular season. Assuming they have any pride whatsoever, I expect them to come out Saturday refocused and ready to let all hell break loose.
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jess23
I say Wisconsin is prime for a letdown against a more talented and deep team than they are.  The embarassing loss of epic proportions (31 point favs come on!) last week is just going to accentuate a flat performance even more this week.  Ohio State will win by at least 3 scores.  
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db11
Even against an elite, if you consider yourself a good CFB program, this performance doesn't make the grade by any metric.

This defensive scheme simply doesn't cut it against good teams unless you have depth and speed (UW doesn't). Otherwise you are asking to be physically battered to death by a good line/RB.

Offensively, who's really running things? I'm inclined to say it's Rudolph, because Chryst was always good as an OC. If this is the case, Rudolph needs to be replaced. The offense lacks leadership from the top and is ridiculously blase, even for a Badgers offense. Apparently leaving Garrett Groshek in for pass protection was thought to be a good idea? Blocking Chase Young one-on-one with Van Lanen, or a TE was thought to be a good idea after looking at film? This preparation stinks. What a disaster. Who is in charge here?

This team looks to have one, maybe, two more wins in them this season. That's cause for alarm for this program moving forward.
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nyybball
The offensive stafff came in with a scared, take no chances gameplan.  As a result, the defense simply wore out.  Ohio State is one hell of a team, maybe best in the country, but Chryst and company need to take a good hard look in the mirror.  The passing game is at a high school level, zero aggressivness what so ever, short little routes/checkdowns.  The offensive staff needs some fresh blood on that side of the ball.  There is really no reason why we can't move the ball thorugh the air and be more balanced.
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riseagainst
Overall I’m happy with where the defense is at in this program and it’s pretty easy to feel optimistic about that side of the ball looking into the future, IMO. Offensively, however, I think it’s time for Wisconsin to take a long look in the mirror and seriously consider where to go from here. The days of rolling out a big, plodding offensive line with the intent to hold the ball for 40 minutes and grind out wins are long gone. Much like the NFL, College defenses have figured out how to stymie these types of offenses. If Wisconsin isn’t willing to start shifting toward a modern offensive scheme and actually start investing in a legitimate pass game, it’s only going to continue to get worse for them as everybody else will just keep passing them by.
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oldballcoach1
I am not sold on throwing everything out the window and starting over.  Offensively, as long as Chryst is the Head Coach, this is what the offense will be.  He is not going to go wide open, spread the field with 5 wides and throw it all over.  I think if we look back a couple of weeks ago and this offense ran over Michigan with ease says the offense is able to beat the top teams of the Big 10.  Taylor should never leave the field and taking him out on 3rd downs is crazy.  I want to see some more shots down the field.  The slants would seem to open up if the defense had to respect the deep ball.  

Defensively, I am really not sure what happens.  For stretches of time, it is dominant.  Today included - but then - the unit is gashed all over, guys are running free down the field and huge holes are there.  I do see a lot of missed tackles and not rapping up.  But that doesn't open massive holes.  What happens??  Today, it was a matter of Ohio St. having the ball too much and late in the game the flood gates opened.  Some of the same things though happened last week.  I am just confused with the inconsistency of this unit.  

Bottom line, Ohio St. is a far better team than Wisconsin.  At each level and postion.  For the Badgers to win today, Ohio St. needed to turnover the ball and give Wisconsin short fields  That didn't happen.  Taylor needed to have a 150+ yard day - that didn't happen.  And the Badgers could not give up chunk plays of 15+ yards and that happened.  If these two teams play 10 times, Ohio St. probably wins 9.  Things were going to have to line up pretty well  for a win today and that didn't happen.  

I think the Badgers will win out and go into the Minnesota game with 2 losses.  If this team would have taken care of business last week, today's loss wouldn't have been so significant.  A Rose Bowl birth was certainly in the grasp.  Now, that is pretty much gone becuase of the loss last week.  
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db11
For people complaining about the offense, when has Wisconsin been a strictly *running* team?

People are out here (social media) acting like they are historically another service academy or something.

Look at the passing stats from today. Look at what was drawn up. They didn't even really try. What has happened to the offense that used to use TEs so well, that used to send a WR to the NFL almost every other year? This isn't anything new, and it's one of the reasons I struggle to buy that Chryst is really in charge of the offense, because what we are seeing playcalling-wise and from an innovative standpoint is not what you'd expect from a Chryst offense. It's too blase, and in turn, incredibly predictable. That NW game? Not an aberration, and apparently either was the Illinois game. This was almost like lambs to the slaughter today.

Is Jack Coan the answer at QB? I don't know, because the question has yet to even be really defined.
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mickjagger
db11 wrote:
Even against an elite, if you consider yourself a good CFB program, this performance doesn't make the grade by any metric.

This defensive scheme simply doesn't cut it against good teams unless you have depth and speed (UW doesn't). Otherwise you are asking to be physically battered to death by a good line/RB.

Offensively, who's really running things? I'm inclined to say it's Rudolph, because Chryst was always good as an OC. If this is the case, Rudolph needs to be replaced. The offense lacks leadership from the top and is ridiculously blase, even for a Badgers offense. Apparently leaving Garrett Groshek in for pass protection was thought to be a good idea? Blocking Chase Young one-on-one with Van Lanen, or a TE was thought to be a good idea after looking at film? This preparation stinks. What a disaster. Who is in charge here?

This team looks to have one, maybe, two more wins in them this season. That's cause for alarm for this program moving forward.
db11 wrote:
I struggle to buy that Chryst is really in charge of the offense, because what we are seeing playcalling-wise and from an innovative standpoint is not what you'd expect from a Chryst offense. It's too blase, and in turn, incredibly predictable.
As promised, I reached out to Wisconsin State Journal sports columnist Tom Oates who has covered the Badger football program for a couple decades.  He e-mailed me Friday and unequivocally stated that head coach "Paul Chryst has always called his own plays."

I was very surprised and disappointed.  Based on other media sources, BTN included, I had been led to believe offensive coordinatior Joe Rudolph called the offensive plays for UW .... if nothing else, the idea of Rudolph calling the sometimes mysterious and head-scratching plays gave me  cause & reason for justifying & rationalizing the occasionally ineffective Badger offense.  That fall-back is no longer in play.  Apparently, based on Oates' disclosure, it's all on Chryst ... !
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db11
Well, then maybe he needs to pass that off, because this just isn't working when things really matter (read: the quality of an opponent goes up). Sure, maybe the OL isn't great, but you cannot be this easy to gameplan for with that much skill position talent.

What a waste.
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oldballcoach1
I agree db that the TE position for some reason goes games without being a factor.  I really like Ferguson and he has the size and speed to beat his defender.  But for somehow, he doesn't even appear to be a part of game plans.  For me, I would think he should be the top target for the offense.  Outside of Cephus, he seems to be the one that can beat his defender.  UW has a long list of TE's that have played on Sunday and Ferguson sure looks like another.  The days of those TE's running the seam or cross are long gone apparently.  Why that is not a part of the offense anymore is a good question.  

The other part that has disappeared is the QB scramble.  Hornibrook obviously was a plodder and not a threat to run, but it sure seems like Coan has the ability to do it.  Early in the season, it seemed like he extended drives picking up some 1st downs with his legs, but hasn't  did it the past few games.

I was pretty sure Chryst was calling plays and Oates has confirmed that.  As years have passed, it is pretty evident that he has become more conservative and the playbook has lost some pages and those pages seem to be the shot plays off play action and the TE.  

Defense is also a concern.  Way to inconsistent against the spread the last two weeks and struggling with the up tempo.  That is frustrating with this group as most of those guys have some experience.  
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mickjagger
I agree db that the TE position for some reason goes games without being a factor.  I really like Ferguson and he has the size and speed to beat his defender.  But for somehow, he doesn't even appear to be a part of game plans.  For me, I would think he should be the top target for the offense.  Outside of Cephus, he seems to be the one that can beat his defender.  UW has a long list of TE's that have played on Sunday and Ferguson sure looks like another.  The days of those TE's running the seam or cross are long gone apparently.  Why that is not a part of the offense anymore is a good question.  

The other part that has disappeared is the QB scramble.  Hornibrook obviously was a plodder and not a threat to run, but it sure seems like Coan has the ability to do it.  Early in the season, it seemed like he extended drives picking up some 1st downs with his legs, but hasn't  did it the past few games.

I was pretty sure Chryst was calling plays and Oates has confirmed that.  As years have passed, it is pretty evident that he has become more conservative and the playbook has lost some pages and those pages seem to be the shot plays off play action and the TE.  

Defense is also a concern.  Way to inconsistent against the spread the last two weeks and struggling with the up tempo.  That is frustrating with this group as most of those guys have some experience.  
I agree, Coach & DB, the UW offense since Chryst returned from Pitt is not the dynamic, attacking, multi-faceted offense it was when Chryst was the OC.  Especially, since last season, it has become somewhat of a shell of its former self as you describe above.  There were flashes earlier this season that reminded me of Chryst's former offense, but those flashes come & go. 

As you mentioned, the creative use of the tight end has diminished ... i.e.  throws off of play-action, the seam routes, the crossing patterns, the slants, the drag play that UW used so effectively with Travis Beckum, Owen Daniels, Garrett Graham, et al. 

Play-action was  a staple  of the Badger offense with QB's John Stocco, Tyler Donovan, Scott Tolzien and Russell Wilson at the helm for the Badgers.  I recall the fullbacks being used as receivers in the flat off of play-action bootlegs. 

Bob Bostad was an excellent O-line coach.  Joe Rudolph does not approach Bostad in that regard, IMO.
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wiscopetty
The avalanche of consternation seen on Twitter yesterday is funny to me. Ohio State is the best team in the country this year. They are the best team in the Big Ten, by a considerable margin. I think they beat Penn State by 10+. They will not be seriously challenged until they play Alabama or LSU in the playoff. It's trite, but there is no shame in simply being outmatched by a superior team, licking your wounds, and moving on. If you're arguing about who should be playing QB after watching Chase Young take 1.2 seconds to get into the backfield on every snap, you're wasting your breath.

What I am most concerned about is the widening talent gap between OSU and the rest of the conference. This is a broader problem facing college football as well. Parity is slowly being chipped away. Take yesterday's game as an example. The problem isn't necessarily the starting 22 (although OSU has a definite edge there), it's the depth. OSU and Alabama are able to put 4* and 5* recruits on the bench and bring them in fresh when need be. Meanwhile, Wisconsin is relying on walk-ons from D5 high schools to match them step for step. Ain't gonna happen. 
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