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badgerfan24 wrote:
blugold94 wrote:
With the way the tourney is bracketed it's almost like Rapids gets a pass to state each year but just refuses to take it half the time....including this year.




I get that section 4 is traditionally weaker than the other sections. no debate. But there have been some very lopsided sectional final games the last few years. NDA last year. WWest the year they won state, just to name a couple. So it isnt just a unique problem that section 4 has or a free pass for WR every year. And dont forget, WR was making trips to Madison in their former section too - same section as Fondy, Stevens Point, Appleton

And (going off a post I read in a different thread) if you look at the section 4 matchups in the quarter finals, they have been matched up against the #1 ranked team in the state EVERY year for the last 6ish seasons. Not saying that is the reason for the string of losses for section 4 at state, but it is a factor in the perceived weakness of that section.


EDIT: And I just read that Eau Claire Memorial has reached the sectional final for the 10th year in a row.


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blugold94 wrote:

Really? You think ECM getting to 10 straight sectional finals is because of the free pass of the bracket and not because they have been a top three team almost every year with multiple state titles during that run? If it was the bracket that allowed ECM deep runs they would get knocked out at state every year early like teams of a certain bracket.

One way to strengthen ECM's bracket would to flip Marshfield and Wisconsin Rapids....let Rapids go west for a while like the Tigers have for a number of years. Or flip SPASH and Rapids for a bit......if it were SPASH instead of WR in Sect. 4, SPASH would have been at state the last five years instead of missing out.


Obviously the rolling eyes wasn't a give away at sarcasm. Not going to argue at how good of a team/program ECM has.

But give credit where it is due. Section #4 has improved. Rapids is usually the class of the sectional, but they have improved. Tomah was very good back when Nicewanger was their goalie and made it to the Frozen 4. Onalaska is no slouch of a program. When Sparta rallied past Rapids a couple years back, upset Onalaska, and went on to get smoked by Verona in the quarterfinals, they were a strong team, but once West Salem/Bangor broke off from the co-op, the Vipers' talent was gone, and now look at the teams. West Salem is a game away from Madison in their second year of WIAA existence. Sparta is lucky to win 5 games.

Since Rapids was moved to #4,
2005- Rapids Semifinal loss to state champion, Superior.
2006- Rapids Semifinal loss to state runner-up Fond du Lac.
2007- Tomah semifinal loss to state runner-up Superior.
2008- Rapids quarterfinal loss to Appleton. (Appleton lost to eventual runner-up Edgewood.)
2009- Onalaska quarterfinal loss to state champion Arrowhead.
2010- Rapids quarterfinal loss to state runner-up Wausau West.
2011- RWD quarterfinal loss to ECM (ECM lost to eventual state champ in OT in semis)
2012- Sparta quarterfinal loss to Verona (Verona lost to eventual state champ Notre Dame.)
2013- Rapids quarterfinal loss to Notre Dame (lost to eventual runner-up Verona, ND was ranked #1 almost all year.)

I get it. Every time the issue comes up on here, or we talk in person, you think section 4 and Rapids being there is a joke. Take it up with the WIAA. I cannot speak for the Rapids program and I don't want to. But if the Hockey program is like any other athletic program in the school, they'll go anywhere, anytime, and play anyone.
Other ways to strengthen #2 is to add New Richmond or Hudson from #1 to #2. Not outrageous for travel either. Maybe even split Mosinee, DCE, Wausau West to #2. The trip on Highway 29 isn't a bad one. Not much different than going to Rhinelander or Northland Pines.
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Superior vs Verona
ECM vs Notre Dame
Wausau West vs USM
Onalaska vs Kettle Moraine/Mukwonago

All 4 games, I think, should be very competitive.
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badgerfan24
on paper.... that early session looks RIDICULOUS. crazy good matchups.
afternoon sessions should be just as interesting. Great tourney this year!

here is my guess:

Superior vs Verona
ECM vs Notre Dame
Wausau West vs USM
Onalaska vs Kettle Moraine/Mukwonago

taking it to the next level:
Verona vs NDA
Wausau West vs Onalaska

NDA vs Wausau West



but what do I know....[8d]
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badgerfan24 wrote:
on paper.... that early session looks RIDICULOUS. crazy good matchups.
afternoon sessions should be just as interesting. Great tourney this year!

here is my guess:

Superior vs Verona
ECM vs Notre Dame
Wausau West vs USM
Onalaska vs Kettle Moraine/Mukwonago

taking it to the next level:
Verona vs NDA
Wausau West vs Onalaska

NDA vs Wausau West



but what do I know....[8d]


I agree the match-ups look very interesting....I know there are some people who think it's the same old names.....but there's something to be said for traditional powers facing off.

I think Superior will beat Verona. Superior is peaking at the right time. On paper NDA should beat ECM but the Abes rarely lay an egg at state while the Tritons have had some inexplicable losses over the last few years around their state title.....think ECM might pull off the upset. Wausau West lost to USM in early December 1-0 but that was a time the Warriors were struggling to put the puck in the net.....that hasn't been the case recently. Onalaska with a slight edge against KMMO.
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I have to agree with Bluegold, except for the ECM/NDA game.

Superior over Verona- Spartans are really hot right now.
NDA over ECM- Tritons seem unstoppable. But they have had major let downs the past few years.
Wausau West over USM- Could go either way.
Onalaska over KMMO- Could go either way, as well.

NDA over Superior- Could go either way.
Wausau West over Onalaska- Another game that could go either way.

NDA over Wausau West- Could be nasty, but than again, could be another close one.
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I think that this will be a tournament to remember this year with some great talent and some possible cinderella stories. Saying that, here are my predictions:

Game 1: Verona 4, Superior 3 - although i do like superiors chances in this game, they havent been consistent enough through the season where Verona really steps up in big games

Game 2: Notre Dame 6, ECM 4- the Old Abes have a great talent in Bresser but really lack in goaltending and depth, where Notre Dame has two of the top tenders and 2-3 solid lines of forwards

Game 3: Wausau West 3, USM 1- Wausau West has been hot through the playoffs and i dont expect them to stop now, and USM just doesnt have the scoring power needed to cap the Warriors

Game 4: Onalaska 2, KMMO 1 (OT) - This game could definately go either way and whichever team decides to show up will win. I picked the Hilltoppers because they have more depth and i dont think the lasers have anyone who will be able to step up and score a couple of big goals

Semi 1: Notre Dame 5, Verona 2- The Tritons will be looking for revenge from last year and will find it.

Semi 2: Onalaska 3, Wausau West 2- This is my upset pick. I think that Onalaska will be able to suprise the Warriors and go to the finals

Final: Notre Dame 4, Onalaska 1- Although i would love a cinderella ending, NDA is just too deep and skilled to miss out on a state championship.
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Verona 3
Superior 0

Notre Dame 7
ECM 0


Wausau West 1
USM 2
OT

Onalaska 4
KMMO 3



Verona vs Notre Dame
USM vs Onalaska
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Verona 1
Notre Dame 0

USM 3
Onalaska 4


Verona vs Onalaska


"Section 4 sucks... They need to switch it up to make it tougher and get new teams to state.... They'll go win-less again at state this year."

Go Hilltoppers!!
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Congratulations to Verona on winning it all. Funny I actually found out they won when I got home from work and was checking out hockey on a Michigan forum.

Honestly am still somewhat shocked with their win over NDA. I just didn't see that coming.

The one team NDA lost to in the regular season in the MIHL Showcase-Detroit Catholic Central- won D1 in Michigan with a 5-1 score over Brighton.

Also in Michigan, Trenton defeated Hartland 8-3 in D2, while in D3 the U.P.'s Sault Ste Marie lost to Farmington 2-1. After many years Sault Ste Marie finally made it to the championship game last year... but lost. What was significant about this was many of their Midget AAA caliber players played high school the past couple seasons.

Hope everything went well down there in Madison. Congratulations to all the teams who advanced down there.

Anyone keeping tabs on Minnesota's?
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While I suspect Verona was not the favorite in most people's minds, the win should not come as a complete surprise. For whatever reason, they match-up well with NDA. There is of course last year's tournament win. Earlier this year the two played in GB. Verona had a 2 goal lead with about 2 minutes left in the game. NDA pulled their goalie and scored twice to tie the game. They then went on to win in OT. A very close game that Verona probably should have won. This year's tournament win was in that same vein. Verona has a very strong, and probably underrated defense that caused match-up problems. (not to mention MVP goalie play). The only problem was that game was on Friday night....hint to WIAA?
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wr88 wrote:
Since Rapids was moved to #4,
2005- Rapids Semifinal loss to state champion, Superior.
2006- Rapids Semifinal loss to state runner-up Fond du Lac.
2007- Tomah semifinal loss to state runner-up Superior.
2008- Rapids quarterfinal loss to Appleton. (Appleton lost to eventual runner-up Edgewood.)
2009- Onalaska quarterfinal loss to state champion Arrowhead.
2010- Rapids quarterfinal loss to state runner-up Wausau West.
2011- RWD quarterfinal loss to ECM (ECM lost to eventual state champ in OT in semis)
2012- Sparta quarterfinal loss to Verona (Verona lost to eventual state champ Notre Dame.)
2013- Rapids quarterfinal loss to Notre Dame (lost to eventual runner-up Verona, ND was ranked #1 almost all year.)

Minor nitpick: once you make it to state, you're either going to (A) win the state title, (B) lose to the state champions, (C) lose to the runner-up, or (D) lose to a team that loses to either the state champions or the runner-up.

On the "difficulty" (or perceived lack of) in Sectional #4: I prefer to think of it as "unpredictable" or "wide open" - the data shows in the last 7 years there's been 5 different schools come out of there (and that doesn't include Sauk Prairie in '04). Contrast that to Sectional #2, where right now you can largely pen in ECM to state before the season starts (and then #1, where much of the time there's Superior and there's everyone else). Wausau West has become dominant in #3 in recent years, Sectional #7 is another one where there's not one perenially dominant team; that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm OK with a team in an area having a high level of success year in and year out (it happens), but I also like the occasional unpredictability.

Wait until the sport splits into 2 classes (if it ever happens). I can't wait to hear the howling from fans of a couple perenially strong schools who (will) get grouped into the same sectional.
I'm not saying some things the WIAA does are wrong, ... I'm just saying, "I find it weird."
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