MWarrior2008_old
Found this article.


[link=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090710/ap_on_re_us/us_upside_down_flag]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090710/ap_on_re_us/us_upside_down_flag[/link]



What do you think? Traitor? Did the city of Crivitz not follow correct procedure? Let's hear what you think.
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spike64
Its his right to fly the flag upside down. The police, if I know the law somewhat correctly, may have infringed on his right to free speech. Symbolic speech is protected just as much under the law as words.
I think the village of Crivitz WAY overstepped their boundries. Just because they do not agree with someone's views, or the way someone protests doesn't mean they can do whatever they want.
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whistleblower1
Although I may not always agree with what people do to express themselves, my oath was to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States". If he wants to fly the flag inverted for what ever reason, constitutionally that is his prerogative. Some people have a different interpretation of what "free speech" actually means. Same thing goes with burning the flag in effigy. I may not like it, but I will always respect your FREEDOM to do so.

In my opinion, the DA way over stepped his bounds.
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roadkill1
You have the "right" to do what ever you want to the US flag!!

I have actually served to protect that right!!


Oh, BTW-----I have the right to respond to what you do to my flag, and if you desecrate it, and I am there, there will be a small problem!![]

just sayin'
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wizzler
spike64 wrote:


Its his right to fly the flag upside down. The police, if I know the law somewhat correctly, may have infringed on his right to free speech. Symbolic speech is protected just as much under the law as words.
I think the village of Crivitz WAY overstepped their boundries. Just because they do not agree with someone's views, or the way someone protests doesn't mean they can do whatever they want.

If you fly your flag upside down you are saying that you are in need of help. It is in the flag code. He could burn a flag etc etc but he can't legally fly it upside down because that actually means something.



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pinetar
Wizzler wrote:


spike64 wrote:


Its his right to fly the flag upside down. The police, if I know the law somewhat correctly, may have infringed on his right to free speech. Symbolic speech is protected just as much under the law as words.
I think the village of Crivitz WAY overstepped their boundries. Just because they do not agree with someone's views, or the way someone protests doesn't mean they can do whatever they want.

If you fly your flag upside down you are saying that you are in need of help. It is in the flag code. He could burn a flag etc etc but he can't legally fly it upside down because that actually means something.


but was that ever given as a reason to why they took action on this? I don't think it was
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coach40
I think they should have left it and then let others deal with him. I understand the cops were being proactive but could you imagine what people may do to this guy or the ire he faced flying the flag like that? I am all for freedom of speech and expression, but this guy ws not that smart!
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dfnewburry
This is exactly how the Nazi 's gained real power in Germany ... Convince the population your are protecting the country under the guise of the rule of law and the people will let you do anything .

Kudos to those in our population / law enforcement who actually stand up for individual freedom because without it the Moral Authority that our Founders so detested gains a foothold and our Civil Society collapses .

He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself. ~Thomas Paine








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dfnewburry
DB wrote:


dfnewburry wrote:


This is exactly how the Nazi 's gained real power in Germany ... Convince the population your are protecting the country under the guise of the rule of law and the people will let you do anything .

Kudos to those in our population / law enforcement who actually stand up for individual freedom because without it the Moral Authority that our Founders so detested gains a foothold and our Civil Society collapses .

He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself. ~Thomas Paine


Your grasp of history (seemingly based on quotes from Early American leaders, tidbits picked up from glancing at the History Channel, and those Page-A-Day desk calendars) has kept me entertained for years on here now.

Just because you can quote and reference from history doesn't mean you actually understand it.

Thank you for telling me what I should think and not letting me use every thing possible piece of info to come to a conclusion on my own .








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db11
dfnewburry wrote:


DB wrote:


dfnewburry wrote:


This is exactly how the Nazi 's gained real power in Germany ... Convince the population your are protecting the country under the guise of the rule of law and the people will let you do anything .

Kudos to those in our population / law enforcement who actually stand up for individual freedom because without it the Moral Authority that our Founders so detested gains a foothold and our Civil Society collapses .

He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself. ~Thomas Paine[/font]


Your grasp of history (seemingly based on quotes from Early American leaders, tidbits picked up from glancing at the History Channel, and those Page-A-Day desk calendars) has kept me entertained for years on here now.

Just because you can quote and reference from history doesn't mean you actually understand it.

Thank you for telling me what I should think and not letting me use every thing possible piece of info to come to a conclusion on my own .


I did nothing of the sort...though why should I be surprised with your response...you being of the type who believes whatever they want (generally the off-beat/conspiratorial) and then preaches from the pulpit they think they've built for themselves...
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hueby
To me it kind of sounds like the old saying "Two wrongs don't make a right." I don't agree with what the police did (kind of sounds like some small town red neck authority from a movie).

I don't know all the facts here- did he think he was going to get a liquor license, told he could get one, etc etc. He has a right to protest (I agree w/Road Kill- ok to fly the flag upside down but burn it...)

Maybe there's a good reason for not allowing his business to have a liquor license? Has anyone ever seen the front page of that newspaper- I think it's called the Oconto County Reporter? That front page is filled with nothing but alcohol-related incidents. Maybe the leaders up in Crivitz see a lot of this already? IDK.

This reminds me a little of a friend of mine who served in the Marine Corps, got out and felt everybody owed him everything. He was angry he couldn't get the jobs he wanted, and felt he should be the exception and didn't have to obey certain laws and rules. (He'd always tell me "I'm a Marine Corps Combat Veteran.")

I remember up in Michigan he lost some land dispute issue with a "neighbor", so he told me he laid/ camoflaged these spikes out on this sandy dirt road should this neighbor access this road, etc.
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db11
dfnewburry wrote:


This is exactly how the Nazi 's gained real power in Germany ... Convince the population your are protecting the country under the guise of the rule of law and the people will let you do anything .

Kudos to those in our population / law enforcement who actually stand up for individual freedom because without it the Moral Authority that our Founders so detested gains a foothold and our Civil Society collapses .

He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself. ~Thomas Paine[/font]


Your grasp of history (seemingly based on quotes from Early American leaders, tidbits picked up from glancing at the History Channel, and those Page-A-Day desk calendars) has kept me entertained for years on here now.

Just because you can quote and reference from history doesn't mean you actually understand it.
https://twitter.com/barwickipedia - Follow me. Because we all need a bit of sports snark in our lives.

"Doin' right ain't got no end."
-The Outlaw Josey Wales

"'Allegedly' is right, Mr. Polian. I have a hole in my ear drum, I'd never go for a swim, no matter how drunk me is."
-Pat McAfee
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mrmike527
Pinetar wrote:


Wizzler wrote:


spike64 wrote:


Its his right to fly the flag upside down. The police, if I know the law somewhat correctly, may have infringed on his right to free speech. Symbolic speech is protected just as much under the law as words.
I think the village of Crivitz WAY overstepped their boundries. Just because they do not agree with someone's views, or the way someone protests doesn't mean they can do whatever they want.

If you fly your flag upside down you are saying that you are in need of help. It is in the flag code. He could burn a flag etc etc but he can't legally fly it upside down because that actually means something.


but was that ever given as a reason to why they took action on this? I don't think it was


Yes, every part of the article that deals with why the police seized it mentions the plea for distress. Its the part when they start quoting other veterans that deal with disrespect.
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