mickjagger
Vince Biegel's 2017 season may be over before it gets started.

Biegel is having surgery on the ankle he injured at UW last season. Perhaps the Packers missed something in their pre-draft analysis ?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/15/packers-rookie-linebacker-vince-biegel-has-foot-surgery/
Wisconsin Sports Network Hall of Fame Inductee, 2012
Quote 0 0
mickjagger
safetysqueezepleezzee11 wrote:
mickjagger wrote:
Vince Biegel's 2017 season may be over before it gets started.

Biegel is having surgery on the ankle he injured at UW last season. Perhaps the Packers missed something in their pre-draft analysis ?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/15/packers-rookie-linebacker-vince-biegel-has-foot-surgery/


Pack certainly missed something - having a shot at drafting Watt this year. Watt is a guy that has what the Pack defense needs - an outside pass rush. Sure I will admit anyone drafted late in the first round has a good chance of being a bust, but they also have a chance to be a real difference maker and possibly a star. The guy the Pack took with their first round pick 'may' turn out good. I just cant believe with Matthews age and injuries AND Watt being available - that the Thompson didn't have the nads to take a Wisconsin guy. I will bet that if Watt was with any other Big 10 team - Thompson drafts him in the first round.

I have nothing against Biegel but I did expect injuries to be a problem down the road. I didn't think he would have problems right out of the gate. May end up being a wasted draft pick, which may not be either side's fault. Drafting in the NFL is often a craps shot or luck.

I pretty much feel the same way.

Side-by-side and 100% healthy, I would take TJ Watt 10 times out of 10 over Vince Biegel. And, that is out of no disrespect for Biegel. I just happen to believe that TJ Watt is going to be very special in the NFL. And, I, too, am very disappointed the Packers passed on the opportunity to draft TJ Watt.

Obviously, we will have a clearer picture in 2-3 years.

Wisconsin Sports Network Hall of Fame Inductee, 2012
Quote 0 0
safetysqueezepleezzee11
mickjagger wrote:
Vince Biegel's 2017 season may be over before it gets started.

Biegel is having surgery on the ankle he injured at UW last season. Perhaps the Packers missed something in their pre-draft analysis ?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/15/packers-rookie-linebacker-vince-biegel-has-foot-surgery/


Pack certainly missed something - having a shot at drafting Watt this year. Watt is a guy that has what the Pack defense needs - an outside pass rush. Sure I will admit anyone drafted late in the first round has a good chance of being a bust, but they also have a chance to be a real difference maker and possibly a star. The guy the Pack took with their first round pick 'may' turn out good. I just cant believe with Matthews age and injuries AND Watt being available - that the Thompson didn't have the nads to take a Wisconsin guy. I will bet that if Watt was with any other Big 10 team - Thompson drafts him in the first round.

I have nothing against Biegel but I did expect injuries to be a problem down the road. I didn't think he would have problems right out of the gate. May end up being a wasted draft pick, which may not be either side's fault. Drafting in the NFL is often a craps shot or luck.
Quote 0 0
db11
mickjagger wrote:
Vince Biegel's 2017 season may be over before it gets started.

Biegel is having surgery on the ankle he injured at UW last season. Perhaps the Packers missed something in their pre-draft analysis ?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/15/packers-rookie-linebacker-vince-biegel-has-foot-surgery/


Obviously, anything can happen, but the only concern at this point is how much training camp will he miss.

I guess the real question is why wasn't this taken care of back in January? Combine attendance that important?
https://twitter.com/barwickipedia - Follow me. Because we all need a bit of sports snark in our lives.

"Doin' right ain't got no end."
-The Outlaw Josey Wales

"'Allegedly' is right, Mr. Polian. I have a hole in my ear drum, I'd never go for a swim, no matter how drunk me is."
-Pat McAfee
Quote 0 0
safetysqueezepleezzee11
db11 wrote:
mickjagger wrote:
Vince Biegel's 2017 season may be over before it gets started.

Biegel is having surgery on the ankle he injured at UW last season. Perhaps the Packers missed something in their pre-draft analysis ?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/15/packers-rookie-linebacker-vince-biegel-has-foot-surgery/


Obviously, anything can happen, but the only concern at this point is how much training camp will he miss.

I guess the real question is why wasn't this taken care of back in January? Combine attendance that important?


If he is having surgery, I cant see how he can make any of the training camp/camps stuff. I would think 8-12 weeks minimum and that puts him into mid July at best and that is probably only the start of rehab. Suspect he will be on the DL for 2017 and perhaps possibly activated mid season if everything goes perfectly.
Quote 0 0
coachw12
mickjagger wrote:
safetysqueezepleezzee11 wrote:
mickjagger wrote:
Vince Biegel's 2017 season may be over before it gets started.

Biegel is having surgery on the ankle he injured at UW last season. Perhaps the Packers missed something in their pre-draft analysis ?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/15/packers-rookie-linebacker-vince-biegel-has-foot-surgery/


Pack certainly missed something - having a shot at drafting Watt this year. Watt is a guy that has what the Pack defense needs - an outside pass rush. Sure I will admit anyone drafted late in the first round has a good chance of being a bust, but they also have a chance to be a real difference maker and possibly a star. The guy the Pack took with their first round pick 'may' turn out good. I just cant believe with Matthews age and injuries AND Watt being available - that the Thompson didn't have the nads to take a Wisconsin guy. I will bet that if Watt was with any other Big 10 team - Thompson drafts him in the first round.

I have nothing against Biegel but I did expect injuries to be a problem down the road. I didn't think he would have problems right out of the gate. May end up being a wasted draft pick, which may not be either side's fault. Drafting in the NFL is often a craps shot or luck.

I pretty much feel the same way.

Side-by-side and 100% healthy, I would take TJ Watt 10 times out of 10 over Vince Biegel. And, that is out of no disrespect for Biegel. I just happen to believe that TJ Watt is going to be very special in the NFL. And, I, too, am very disappointed the Packers passed on the opportunity to draft TJ Watt.

Obviously, we will have a clearer picture in 2-3 years.



Wait until TJ Watt gets exploited in coverage. TJ is a one trick pony who excels at pass rush but is sub standard vs the run and pass coverage. I think he was over drafted big time.
Quote 0 0
mickjagger
coachw12 wrote:
mickjagger wrote:
safetysqueezepleezzee11 wrote:
mickjagger wrote:
Vince Biegel's 2017 season may be over before it gets started.

Biegel is having surgery on the ankle he injured at UW last season. Perhaps the Packers missed something in their pre-draft analysis ?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/15/packers-rookie-linebacker-vince-biegel-has-foot-surgery/


Pack certainly missed something - having a shot at drafting Watt this year. Watt is a guy that has what the Pack defense needs - an outside pass rush. Sure I will admit anyone drafted late in the first round has a good chance of being a bust, but they also have a chance to be a real difference maker and possibly a star. The guy the Pack took with their first round pick 'may' turn out good. I just cant believe with Matthews age and injuries AND Watt being available - that the Thompson didn't have the nads to take a Wisconsin guy. I will bet that if Watt was with any other Big 10 team - Thompson drafts him in the first round.

I have nothing against Biegel but I did expect injuries to be a problem down the road. I didn't think he would have problems right out of the gate. May end up being a wasted draft pick, which may not be either side's fault. Drafting in the NFL is often a craps shot or luck.

I pretty much feel the same way.

Side-by-side and 100% healthy, I would take TJ Watt 10 times out of 10 over Vince Biegel. And, that is out of no disrespect for Biegel. I just happen to believe that TJ Watt is going to be very special in the NFL. And, I, too, am very disappointed the Packers passed on the opportunity to draft TJ Watt.

Obviously, we will have a clearer picture in 2-3 years.

Wait until TJ Watt gets exploited in coverage. [h]TJ is a one trick pony who excels at pass rush but is sub standard vs the run and pass coverage[/h]. I think he was over drafted big time.

Time will tell.

Watt is very athletic. He blew away the competition at his position in the timed & measured tests at the NFL combine. He was formerly a TE, so I don't believe he has stones for hands. He has not even played the OLB position for 2 full seasons yet. He has admitted that he is not a finished product ... he is still learning the position and is a work in progress. Give him another year or 2 & he may be one of the NFL's top OLB's.

I wouldn't bet against him. As it is, and I've said since draft day, [h]if Watt stays healthy this season and breaks into Pittsburgh's starting line-up[/h], I believe he's a top-5 choice to be NFL defensive rookie-of-the-year.
Wisconsin Sports Network Hall of Fame Inductee, 2012
Quote 0 0
coachw12
mickjagger wrote:
coachw12 wrote:
mickjagger wrote:
safetysqueezepleezzee11 wrote:
mickjagger wrote:
Vince Biegel's 2017 season may be over before it gets started.

Biegel is having surgery on the ankle he injured at UW last season. Perhaps the Packers missed something in their pre-draft analysis ?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/15/packers-rookie-linebacker-vince-biegel-has-foot-surgery/


Pack certainly missed something - having a shot at drafting Watt this year. Watt is a guy that has what the Pack defense needs - an outside pass rush. Sure I will admit anyone drafted late in the first round has a good chance of being a bust, but they also have a chance to be a real difference maker and possibly a star. The guy the Pack took with their first round pick 'may' turn out good. I just cant believe with Matthews age and injuries AND Watt being available - that the Thompson didn't have the nads to take a Wisconsin guy. I will bet that if Watt was with any other Big 10 team - Thompson drafts him in the first round.

I have nothing against Biegel but I did expect injuries to be a problem down the road. I didn't think he would have problems right out of the gate. May end up being a wasted draft pick, which may not be either side's fault. Drafting in the NFL is often a craps shot or luck.

I pretty much feel the same way.

Side-by-side and 100% healthy, I would take TJ Watt 10 times out of 10 over Vince Biegel. And, that is out of no disrespect for Biegel. I just happen to believe that TJ Watt is going to be very special in the NFL. And, I, too, am very disappointed the Packers passed on the opportunity to draft TJ Watt.

Obviously, we will have a clearer picture in 2-3 years.

Wait until TJ Watt gets exploited in coverage. [h]TJ is a one trick pony who excels at pass rush but is sub standard vs the run and pass coverage[/h]. I think he was over drafted big time.

Time will tell.

Watt is very athletic. He blew away the competition at his position in the timed & measured tests at the NFL combine. He was formerly a TE, so I don't believe he has stones for hands. He has not even played the OLB position for 2 full seasons yet. He has admitted that he is not a finished product ... he is still learning the position and is a work in progress. Give him another year or 2 & he may be one of the NFL's top OLB's.

I wouldn't bet against him. As it is, and I've said since draft day, [h]if Watt stays healthy this season and breaks into Pittsburgh's starting line-up[/h], I believe he's a top-5 choice to be NFL defensive rookie-of-the-year.



Interestingly many scouts felt right end in a 43 defense was TJ Watts natural position where he could use his edge speed as a pass rusher. most teams are right handed, meaning they run to the right (left side of defense) and most left tackles are used to cut off block backside pursuit so he would not have to set the edge that often in the run game while in a 34 defense he will be expected to set the edge in the run game and drop into coverage.
Quote 0 0
mickjagger
mickjagger wrote:
Vince Biegel's 2017 season may be over before it gets started.

Biegel is having surgery on the ankle he injured at UW last season. Perhaps the Packers missed something in their pre-draft analysis ? 
safetysqueezepleezzee11 wrote:
Pack certainly missed something - having a shot at drafting Watt this year. Watt is a guy that has what the Pack defense needs - an outside pass rush. Sure I will admit anyone drafted late in the first round has a good chance of being a bust, but they also have a chance to be a real difference maker and possibly a star. The guy the Pack took with their first round pick 'may' turn out good. I just cant believe with Matthews age and injuries AND Watt being available - that the Thompson didn't have the nads to take a Wisconsin guy. I will bet that if Watt was with any other Big 10 team - Thompson drafts him in the first round.

I have nothing against Biegel but I did expect injuries to be a problem down the road. I didn't think he would have problems right out of the gate. May end up being a wasted draft pick, which may not be either side's fault. Drafting in the NFL is often a craps shot or luck.
mickjagger wrote:
I pretty much feel the same way.

Side-by-side and 100% healthy, I would take TJ Watt 10 times out of 10 over Vince Biegel. And, that is out of no disrespect for Biegel. I just happen to believe that TJ Watt is going to be very special in the NFL. And, I, too, am very disappointed the Packers passed on the opportunity to draft TJ Watt.

Obviously, we will have a clearer picture in 2-3 years.
coachw12 wrote:
Wait until TJ Watt gets exploited in coverage. TJ is a one trick pony who excels at pass rush but is sub standard vs the run and pass coverage. I think he was over drafted big time.
 Feeling somewhat vindicated: 

TJ Watt finished his 2017 rookie season with 7 sacks and 1 interception in 15 games with the Steelers.

Packers released former UW linebacker Vince Biegel on Friday, 8/31/18 :

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/ex-uw-linebacker-vince-biegel-very-surprised-at-being-cut/article_8f6c98a1-99d9-5bbc-aa92-a092f403f383.html#utm_source=madison.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail%2Fsports%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=5D559092085BC880050104111A26A8920ACCC4B8
Wisconsin Sports Network Hall of Fame Inductee, 2012
Quote 0 0
safetysqueezepleezzee11
mickjagger wrote:
 Feeling somewhat vindicated: 

TJ Watt finished his 2017 rookie season with 7 sacks and 1 interception in 15 games with the Steelers.

Packers released former UW linebacker Vince Biegel on Friday, 8/31/18 :

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/ex-uw-linebacker-vince-biegel-very-surprised-at-being-cut/article_8f6c98a1-99d9-5bbc-aa92-a092f403f383.html#utm_source=madison.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail%2Fsports%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=5D559092085BC880050104111A26A8920ACCC4B8


I could have understood the trade had the Packers drafted an O-lineman with the pick they used on Biegel. I just dont like seeing guys drafted that high that have had injuries so recent.  Biegel may go on to play elsewhere and do well, but I just dont see the explosiveness there with Biegel. He might fit in a 3-4 defense as inside LB, but I dont see him playing OLB in the 3-4 defense - just doesnt have the explosiveness needed to be a pass rusher. I dont see that changing either.
Quote 0 0
mickjagger


I could have understood the trade had the Packers drafted an O-lineman with the pick they used on Biegel. I just dont like seeing guys drafted that high that have had injuries so recent.  Biegel may go on to play elsewhere and do well, but I just dont see the explosiveness there with Biegel. He might fit in a 3-4 defense as inside LB, but I dont see him playing OLB in the 3-4 defense - just doesnt have the explosiveness needed to be a pass rusher. I dont see that changing either.
Agree, Doc
Wisconsin Sports Network Hall of Fame Inductee, 2012
Quote 0 0
thecrackerjack
If the Packers were going to cut Biegel, I'm not sure how Kyler Fackrell still made the team. 
Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear of all.
- Yvon Chouinard

@miedent 
Quote 0 0
safetysqueezepleezzee11
If the Packers were going to cut Biegel, I'm not sure how Kyler Fackrell still made the team. 


Fackrell has 'some' potential, whether he ever does anything with it or not. He has the size and speed needed for an OLB position.  I doubt he ever amounts to anything, but I would take a shot with him before Biegel any time. Biegel playing ILB would be his only value to this Packer defense the way I see it and I dont think he has the speed or agility for that either - the other guys are simply better. Fackrell is certainly a long long shot, but he has the body and speed for the position - what ever he does remains to be seen.
Quote 0 0
thecrackerjack


Fackrell has 'some' potential, whether he ever does anything with it or not. He has the size and speed needed for an OLB position.  I doubt he ever amounts to anything, but I would take a shot with him before Biegel any time. Biegel playing ILB would be his only value to this Packer defense the way I see it and I dont think he has the speed or agility for that either - the other guys are simply better. Fackrell is certainly a long long shot, but he has the body and speed for the position - what ever he does remains to be seen.


What potential? You have seen this potential flash on the field? I'll answer it for you, no, you haven't because whenever he is on the field, he's invisible.

I'm not advocating for Biegel, but am surprised that Fackrell is still on the team. 
Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear of all.
- Yvon Chouinard

@miedent 
Quote 0 0
gstacy
what about Dean Lowry, is this a make or break year for him as well?
Quote 0 0
wissportsnet

Boys Basketball Alumni Round-up: February 21st, from @ColtonWilson23 #wisbb -- https://t.co/0K6CZzZWpf https://t.co/715tfpBGVS

wissportsnet

WSN15: Boys Basketball Top Teams #12 -- Two NCAA Division I players at one WIAA Division 4 school = state champions… https://t.co/1MThqzce9L

wissportsnet

Predicting winners of every state wrestling title plus a look By The Numbers, from @Nate_Woelfel -… https://t.co/HgU1bLP7d6

wissportsnet

Join the free Boys Basketball Playoff Pick 'Em Contest; Staff picks coming Tuesday #wisbb -- https://t.co/Y6yTA3OgP8 https://t.co/hA6Uyw9uje