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theoldroller
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Well said!!

Very few (if any) kids are transfering because of a superior Math or Science department!!


Not true. You just don't hear about them. There are many parents in the city who desperately want to get their kids into what they feel is the best school. Sometimes they are able to achieve it by getting them to a private school, sometimes by changing which public school they go to. But again, that's not newsworthy; so it is very low-profile.

And yes, as madjeff says, it does start at a young age. I used to teach in MPS. I remember writing a recommendation to get a second-grader into the Arts School (forget the proper name, it was ten years ago.) We had other kids going to schools for langauages and so on. Kids do transfer for academic reasons. I don't have stats to back it up, but I would assume that in MPS the number of academic/school quality transfers exceeds the athletic transfers several times over.


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runandstun
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IHateDuke - I don't know about Braun, but Malone MOVED to Cedarburg prior to her sophomore year. There was no "transfer" issue there... None.

So, I am not sure the "1 year eligibility suspension rule" is the answer. I think you ought to play in your community. You weigh the pros and cons of a community, and if you don't like it - maybe you move. If you can't move, then you don't.

But to allow kids and their parents to exploit and make a farce of the "educational" aspect of a transfer - just for basketball purposes - now that is just wrong. You know it, I know it, we all know it.

That is the most disappointing factor of all.



I disagree. There maybe economic reasons for not being able to get up and move. Whatever those reasons are, why is it anyone's business? Is it reasonable and of sound jugement and parenting to stiffle a kids opportunities and happiness because a huge "good old boy" network within the school board/athletic dept. continues to function in an dysfunctional manner thereby not allowing the child to grow to his/her potential? I think it takes allot of maturity for a child to leave a community and go somewhere they feel comfortable and happy. Allot of character for a child to make the decision which will continue to be rehashed by those disgruntled parents who live their ill faded ambitions through the lives of their children and their children's accomplishments. The bottom line here are the effects of the two emotions which push everyone's buttons... greed and fear - and the close cousin of jealousy. Should a parent allow a child to lose interest in their sport/hobby/activity because of a variable (coach choice) which is beyond their control. NO, the parent can only do what is within their power for the benefit of the child. In some situations, it is best to not fight the system but remove yourself from the situation which you indeed have no control or influence to change and do what you have control over - open enrollment. Enough is enough... We all have the option of open enrollment or we can get on hear and B.S/complain and accomplish nothing... some very examples of that which branch off of the tree of poor sportsmanship are the open criticism of players by parents of team mates and relatives of players team mates.... give it a rest

Creating allstar teams to compete makes the tourament unfair.It is pretty simple if you chose to THINK about it.
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runandstun
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IHateDuke - I don't know about Braun, but Malone MOVED to Cedarburg prior to her sophomore year. There was no "transfer" issue there... None.

So, I am not sure the "1 year eligibility suspension rule" is the answer. I think you ought to play in your community. You weigh the pros and cons of a community, and if you don't like it - maybe you move. If you can't move, then you don't.

But to allow kids and their parents to exploit and make a farce of the "educational" aspect of a transfer - just for basketball purposes - now that is just wrong. You know it, I know it, we all know it.

That is the most disappointing factor of all.



I disagree. There maybe economic reasons for not being able to get up and move. Whatever those reasons are, why is it anyone's business? Is it reasonable and of sound jugement and parenting to stiffle a kids opportunities and happiness because a huge "good old boy" network within the school board/athletic dept. continues to function in an dysfunctional manner thereby not allowing the child to grow to his/her potential? I think it takes allot of maturity for a child to leave a community and go somewhere they feel comfortable and happy. Allot of character for a child to make the decision which will continue to be rehashed by those disgruntled parents who live their ill faded ambitions through the lives of their children and their children's accomplishments. The bottom line here are the effects of the two emotions which push everyone's buttons... greed and fear - and the close cousin of jealousy. Should a parent allow a child to lose interest in their sport/hobby/activity because of a variable (coach choice) which is beyond their control. NO, the parent can only do what is within their power for the benefit of the child. In some situations, it is best to not fight the system but remove yourself from the situation which you indeed have no control or influence to change and do what you have control over - open enrollment. Enough is enough... We all have the option of open enrollment or we can get on hear and B.S/complain and accomplish nothing... some very examples of that which branch off of the tree of poor sportsmanship are the open criticism of players by parents of team mates and relatives of players team mates.... give it a rest

Allowing this unfair situation to destroy the tournament is the height of poor sportsmanship and shortsightedness as well.
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buckskinballer
academic transfers have happened when white families started moving their families out of milwaukee to the suburbs in the 60's and 70's. this was for various reasons. some for academic reasons some as the city schools enrollment was growing and parents sough out suburban schools to send their kids. so chosing a school has been going on for a long time. and the affects are still being dealt with. wisconsin has a high graduation rate for whites but very low, one of the lowest graduation rates for african americans. how is that fair? this extends beyond basketball and yes it should be reviewed.
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theoldroller
I knew somebody would dig up one example from somewhere. It's still quite rare in D4 schools up north.

As one administrator from a school up here told me recently, "I can count the number of open enrollee students we have had on one hand, add the number we've lost on the same hand, and still have four fingers left over."


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