docbirk
After some lively discussion at our season opener of roundball tonite, I thought I would link the Dubuque Telegraph herald all area list.
I know Erin has already been taken to task on a couple other threads and he isn't the only vote on these lists, but some explaining is obviously in order.

[link=http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=224209]http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=224209[/link]

So, what does everyone think?
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longball12
We're not really in Erin's coverage area. Honestly Erin. How could you possibly have Rolland in front of Carl. I could step aside and be non-biased and have Hertrampf and Carl in front of both Lancaster players. That is just really odd how you set that up.

Stats are from Wissports so they differ from those printed:

Ben Hertrampf - 1721 yards and 26 touchdowns. 9.7 ypc.
Trevor Landon 1318 and 20 touchdowns. 6.1 ypc.

Jordan Rolland 641 yards passing and 8 touchdowns. 483 yards rushing and 11 touchdowns.
Joe Carl 1978 yards passing and 20 touchdowns. 697 yards rushing and 12 touchdowns.

I don't think I have ever said anything really bad about you before, maybe 5-6 years ago, and awards mean really nothing, except they show some pride, but that is just poor how you could put either of those athletes from LAncaster ahead of HErtrampf and Carl. I do believe the stats speak for themselves. And I think they speak loudly. Joe Carl produced over 2600 yards of TOTAL OFFENSE, Rolland just eclipsed 1100. Give me a break. Plus Fennimore was led by these two players to an undefeated regular season (ncluding a convincing win over Lancaster in which Lancaster had no answer for Carl) and another trip to the State semis.
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dawg1
Wow..i would hate to play in Illinois or Iowa where the talent level is obviously much greater than that of SW Wisconsin. All 3 SWAL POY's (Tibbits, Hertrampf,Zart) can only manage a second team nod? Dang they must know how to play in IA and IL. It's nice to see Lancaster can manage a handful of first teamers when the SWC conference POY (O'Kane) can also only manage to get second team. (Sarcasm inserted throughout this post)

This team is really a joke, with the SWAL getting no love at all...
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vanguard25
Well if it makes you feel any better, Hertrampf is first team all area for the State Journal. (for small schools)
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vanguard25
As is Livingston and Tibbits. Forgot about them for a second.
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wisportswriter
You are right about that, longball. In the burdensome process of putting the team together, it didn't click with me to shoot you a PM for the stats. I'll remember that if I need them next year.
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travis12
wisportswriter wrote:


You are right about that, longball. In the burdensome process of putting the team together, it didn't click with me to shoot you a PM for the stats. I'll remember that if I need them next year.


Or you could just look at our Stats Leaderboards, or the Team Stats[]. longball was supposed to keep everything updated on here for Fennimore, hopefully he was able to keep up.
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longball12
I'm not trying to be a jerk about it, but I think it at least needs some justification. As a quarterback and as stats go, Joe Carl was far better statistically (tripling the passing yards almost and had more rushing yards, rushing touchdowns and passing touchdowns, his team had a better record, won heads up, etc. I guess I would just like some kind of justification as to how you could put Rolland ahead of him for qb. Oh wait, must be on Lancaster's payroll []

Same argument for Hertrampf, who basically didn't play the second half in 7-8 games this year (3 for sure and the other 4-5 maybe had 1-2 touches at best). I guess if you were an unbiased journalist creating a true All-Area team, it wouldn't be wrong to ask why you placed people where you did. In the grand scheme of things, no one will remember this a couple of months down the road, but still, I just have to ask what the thought process was here. If you make a good argument, then fine. So be it.
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longball12
My apologies Erin. I have been advised that you no longer cover SW Wisconsin. So, pretend like I never used your name in the above posts. I still would like to hear an explanation though.
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wisportswriter
Re: Fennimore

A few reasons:
1-I didn't get any Fennimore stats, so I had no idea how good their #s were. I was sure they were good given the points they put up this fall, but I didn't know how good. So while you show those #s that are superior to the Lancaster players', I never saw those.
2-I saw Lancaster play a couple times; didn't see Fenny. It's obviously easier to rate someone who you've seen play.
3-The circulation thing matters. I said this to DKelly: I know that won't sit well with people in small-circulation towns, and honestly I don't expect it to. But it's reality. And we have a very small # of subscriptions in Fennimore. Mineral Point is even lower. Honestly, I'd love to be able to pick this team in a vacuum and ignore that, but it's just not reality. You have to give a lean - if ever so slightly - to the towns where people are actually buying your newspaper. I try not to make it a deciding factor so it's as close to a pure all-area team as possible, but it is a factor nonetheless.

And in interest of full disclosure, while it's true I'm no longer strictly SW Wisconsin, my fall beat was city football, which means I was responsible for the all-area team; all the final decisions were mine. So I will gladly take any questions.

DAWG:
While your post spiked my sarcasm detector, I will say that one thing about the TH team is you've got three schools from a large-school conference (Dubuque schools, MVC), just like the big schools in the Madison and Milwaukee areas. Problem is we don't have enough schools to justify two teams (large-school and small-school) like the WSJ does. (Does the MJS do that as well?) So the smaller schools have to share all-area real estate with the big schools.

As for Zart and Tibbits:
1st team OL was very solid. Zart was obviously an excellent candidate, but the 2 Hempstead kids blocked for the leading rusher in the MVC, where only four backs rushed for 1,000 yards during the regular season. The kid from Galena had one back who rushed for 1,600 and another that came within a whisker of 1,000 and played on a team that won a state title last year and made it to the quarterfinals this year. Peake was SWC OL of the year, and the kid from Senior was 1st team all-MVC, which historically means you're a 1st team TH lock.
1st team DB was solid, too, with 3 1st team all-MVC kids. I'm sure Tibbits was a great player, but I wouldn't hesitate to put any of the 3 TH 1st teamers against him. The kid from Wahlert could end up with a full ride to Iowa.
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docbirk
Thanks for the reply and explanation, Erin. Honesty is becoming a lost virtue out there and I appreciate yours.

Pass it on up the line to the powers that be(fwiw) that maybe subscriptions would rise out here in the sticks if there was some random coverage of our teams/games. I understand the premise of satisfying your main subscription base and therefore all the Wahlert/Hawkeyes/Bears/Cubs news but they also have to think of the entire area when it comes to prep coverage. If a kid earned a shot at recognition by his/her play on the field, the number of subscriptions in the town he/she plays for SHOULD NOT be a factor. It severly lessens the legitimacy of the honors given out by said paper.

I personally think they need to expand the section by a page or two to get some more balance to it. It's about as crammed together as it can get and still be considered readable.

Maybe they also need to expand the expense accounts for you beat writers so you can get to some of the games []. But hey, what do I know. Again thanks for the response and keep up the good work, Erin.
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wisportswriter
Thanks, Doc.
I agree with much of your post very much. The only quibble I will take was while we didn't get to Fennimore this year, we have a # of times in the past, both football and boys basketball, and it didn't really help subscription counts. Probably for 2 reasons: 1-most people subscribe to a paper for more than just their sports coverage. So while we may have done better in Fennimore than other papers in the past, that wasn't enough for people to change their minds; 2-I think it's just always going to be a town where the WSJ has us outnumbered. I can't see how that will ever change.
As for the rest of your post, your ideas are great ones. With such a wide range of teams to cover, at all levels, for a 3-state area, we wish very much we could have an extra page or 2 a day to run more stuff than we do. And we definitely wish the purse strings were looser to allow us to get out to cover more games.
The sad reality is neither of those things is going to happen for a # of reasons that are affecting the entire newspaper industry.
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longball12
Ok, understood. You do know you could have just asked and I would have gladly provided you with stats, like I have done many times in the past. As long as you explained your reasoning, I guess that is all that I needed.
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