oldballcoach1
The trade deadline for the spring season is Monday and some minor deals have happened already,  nothing involving the Brewers though.  Lots of names being thrown out there on the rumor mill.  The biggest being Josh Hader.  

Two sides to this with Hader for sure.  He is in the top 5 of closers in baseball.  Maybe top 3.  You hate to see those guys leave and for what he is being paid, he is a huge bargain.  But, his velocity is down some and some speculation about that being a signal that he is going to see a decline at some point.  However, he is throwing his slider for strikes and has yet to give up a hit this season.  The return for him would certainly net a couple of young big league level players and maybe a prospect.  

Other names like David Phelps and Alex Claudio are being mentioned and really, their return would not be much more than a lower level prospect.  

Names that have been connected to some type of Brewer rumors are not big ones, but maybe the biggest being Clint Frazier from the Yanks.  Although with Judge hurt again, maybe he is back into the picture there.  One big in division name that apparently is out there is Josh Bell from the Pirates.  He would fill that 1B hole and #4 bat that is for sure.  But, his cost will be large.  

I just hope we don't see some of the top young talent go.  Turang, Feliciano, and Ashby come to mind.  If they are part of a deal, it would have to be for a multi year controllable major league ready player.  
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yzerman1
I would be surprised if the Brewers do anything at the deadline.  Teams are not allowed to scout at the alternative sites so you have no idea what is happening at those sites.  Twenty teams in baseball are sharing data and video from their alternative sites, however the Brewers opted not to join that group of teams.  I haven't heard any team announce any injuries from their alternative sites so you would be flying blind as to what is happening with other teams.

Another thing working against the Brewers is money.  They will be fine this year, but next year is going to be ugly.  I read in the Athletic that teams are expected to cut payroll for next year by 20 to 30 percent.   Next year they will have to pay the players for the entire season and it's highly doubtful that attendance will be back to pre Covid levels.  Heading into next year the Brewers have only six players under contract(Yelich, Cain, Garcia, Peralta, Lindblom, and Suter) and that accounts for 57 million.   It's really hard to see them adding additional financial commitments.

The Brewers also have the worst farm system in baseball.  That's according to Baseball America, Fangraphs, MLB Pipeline, ESPN, and the Athletic.   So basically everyone agrees that the Brewers farm system is the worst in baseball.  That makes it really hard to pull any deal off when you don't have much to offer and no one has seen those guys play since a few brief glimpses in March.

After this year Josh Hader will have three years of control.  His salary through arbitration will be roughly 7 million for 2021, 12 million for 2022, and around 16 million for 2023.  At those numbers, less than 10 teams are going to be able to afford him.  Teams that would be trading for him know this and are going to low ball the Brewers for him.   The teams that can afford him aren't going to overpay for 60 innings in a full season.  The Brewers are not going to get anything close to his value if they trade him.
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yzerman1
Ken Rosenthal reports that the Blue Jays may be looking at Orlando Arcia as a stopgap until Bo Bichette comes back in another two weeks.  Arcia is only owed 350K the rest of the season and that would open up shortstop for Luis Urias.  Arcia will make over 3 million next year which probably means he would be non-tendered this off-season.  The return would be minimal but it would be better than getting nothing if he is non-tendered.
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oldballcoach1
I am ok with moving Arcia at this point.  I wouldn't agree the return would be minimal and with the farm system being void of much talent, adding a young prospect to the pool is surely a positive.  

Obviously much of the talk is around Hader and with the Padres making the move for Rosenthal, they are out of the picture.  The usual suspects are in on the rumors - Dodgers and Yankees.  

Lets take the Dodgers.  You would think that in order for the Brewers to move Hader, getting Lux back is a must and all of the speculation is that he would be the center piece.  My question though is if that deal is done, what do they do with Lux??  Hiura is at 2B and he doesn't project as a 3B, so that seems like an odd move.  And if Arcia is not moved, then there is a big log jam with he, and Urias, Hiura and Arcia.  That just doesn't seem to be a fit right now.  

Now, if they move Arica and do the deal to move Hader with Lux coming back and with the DH probably here to stay, things could clear up.  DH Hiura, Lux at 2B and Urias at SS. 

Moving Hader probably returns Lux and two other young prospects, at least that is what Rosenthal and Nightengale have stated.  A week ago, I was not in favor of moving Hader.  But now, considering where the team stands and with the chance to add one or two major league level players and another one or two prospects, this might be the time to do it.  And Devin Williams sure appears that he is capable of handling the closing duties.  
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hirschey76
Why would the Dodgers give up Lux plus any other prospects for Hader? The Dodgers already have one of the top  closers in baseball plus a much better overall staff than Milwaukee. Dodgers may give up a low level prospect for Hader or a player who has proved a little in the majors, but Lux and other prospects, dream on.
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oldballcoach1
Just going by what everyday writers like Ken Rosenthal, Bob Nightengale, and Jeff Passan have been reporting.  Guess it is their dream.  
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hirschey76
Those writers throw out a lot of trade possibiilites hoping to hit on 1 or 2 of their "guesses". So far not one of their far-fetched trades have been made.
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yzerman1
The Dodgers wouldn't part with Gavin Lux for two years on Francisco Lindor this off-season and he is one of the five best players in the game.  There is no way the Dodgers would trade him or Dustin May for Hader.  In the Athletic on 8-25, Rosenthal mentioned that Hader was available, but only at a "Bananas Price."
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oldballcoach1
You guys do know this is a chat site where people talk about things like this.  We are not experts in anything, just a bunch of fans that like the Brewers and talk about them.  Using an Aaron Rodgers quote "R-E-L-A-X."  
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oldballcoach1
Lots of the teams or names the Brewers were connected to have made their deals.  Toronto got Villar to fill in at SS.  Marte goes to the Marlins.  Robbie Ray also to Toronto.  

Slingin Stearns maybe is going to be quiet today.  Only an hour left until the deadline and nothing as of yet.  Pundits are putting out names like Brett Anderson, Alex Claudio and David Phelps today.  None will probably get much in return, but would maybe gain some prospects and fill in some holes on the prospect list.  
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db11
Several reports out there that Phelps has been dealt to Philly for "prospects."
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Well, just bring up Stearns and he does make a deal.  Phelps to the Phils for 3 lower level prospects.  Not a surprise to see him dealt with the emergence of Devin Williams.  
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