oldballcoach1
Today  Cole vs. Houser
Tuesday  Grienke vs. Lyles

The Brewers have their best two starters going in this crucial series.  They can not get swept and somehow have to find a way to get at least one game.  Cole is a beast, so today is going to be tough.  Better chance at getting to Grienke tomorrow.  

Guessing CC will employ the entire left handed order again today. Keeping the Astros in the ballpark and not giving up 3 run home runs is going to be big.  
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db11
Brewers lose 3-2 in 10 after Guerra gave up a Springer bomb.

Struggled with Cole, but the pitching was good enough and Yelich tied it in the ninth, ultimately to no avail.

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/astros-vs-brewers/2019/09/02/567620#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=567620
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oldballcoach1
A loss that wasn't all that unexpected with Cole going.  Not a good mix with him and the Brewers lack of making contact.  I think I heard them say that the Brewers had 45 swinging strikes today.  That is unheard of.  

I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I do have an issue with some of the moves today.  First off - in a tie game, why go to Suter for his first appearance after a year off??  Yes he had some minor league appearances, but to me, it is a lot of ask of him to come into today's game in that situation.  Especially when you have a full bullpen of guys.  Second, going into the game, Guerra was not going to pitch after going in back to back days in Chicago - according to what was said in the pregame talk.  If that had been the philosophy all year, then fine, but that has not been and when CC has tried it, it has backfired - like today.  Something changed during the game apparently.  

Third, I don't care what numbers say, runner on 1st - no outs - bottom of 10 and down a run - with the MVP in the hole - you have to bunt to ensure he gets an at bat.  It worked out that he did, but if Grandal hit into a double play - Yelich is left standing in the on deck circle.  And maybe it is minor, but what was the deal with pinch running for the pinch runner??  To start, in the day of expanded rosters, to have to use a pitcher to pinch run shouldn't happen.  But then, to use another pitcher to pinch run is a head scratcher.  Lets say they tie the game and CC used 2 pitchers as pinch runners and the game ends up going 15 innings??  

I said they had to go 19-9 in the final 28, so now they are 0-1.  Tomorrow is a game that is close to a must win.  
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yzerman1
A loss that wasn't all that unexpected with Cole going.  Not a good mix with him and the Brewers lack of making contact.  I think I heard them say that the Brewers had 45 swinging strikes today.  That is unheard of.  

I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I do have an issue with some of the moves today.  First off - in a tie game, why go to Suter for his first appearance after a year off??  Yes he had some minor league appearances, but to me, it is a lot of ask of him to come into today's game in that situation.  Especially when you have a full bullpen of guys.  Second, going into the game, Guerra was not going to pitch after going in back to back days in Chicago - according to what was said in the pregame talk.  If that had been the philosophy all year, then fine, but that has not been and when CC has tried it, it has backfired - like today.  Something changed during the game apparently.  

Third, I don't care what numbers say, runner on 1st - no outs - bottom of 10 and down a run - with the MVP in the hole - you have to bunt to ensure he gets an at bat.  It worked out that he did, but if Grandal hit into a double play - Yelich is left standing in the on deck circle.  And maybe it is minor, but what was the deal with pinch running for the pinch runner??  To start, in the day of expanded rosters, to have to use a pitcher to pinch run shouldn't happen.  But then, to use another pitcher to pinch run is a head scratcher.  Lets say they tie the game and CC used 2 pitchers as pinch runners and the game ends up going 15 innings??  

I said they had to go 19-9 in the final 28, so now they are 0-1.  Tomorrow is a game that is close to a must win.  


I agree that Counsell didn't have one of his better games today.  I was listening on ESPN radio and they said Counsell told them that Hader, Pomeranz, and Guerra were not available today.  I guess he would rather have a tired Guerra over Faria, Nelson, or Williams.  I hate when they run use pitchers as pinch runners, they have absolutely no instincts on the bases.  Freitas is probably the better choice in that spot.  Way too high of leverage spot to use Suter today.  

The one thing I do agree with Counsell on was not bunting in the 10th inning.   You actually have a lower run expectancy with one out and a runner on second than you do with no outs and a runner on first.  Secondly, there is no way Yelich would have gotten to swing the bat if first base is open, especially with rally killer Hernan Perez hitting behind him.  Why not put Shaw at second, slide Spangenberg over to short, and keep Moustakas in the game to start the 10th inning or just put Perez at short and take Shaw out of the game?  Taking Moustakas out of the game, unless his injury flared up, was stupid.
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roadkill1
After starting a thread about the Brewers at Cubs, and the Crew taking 2 of the 3, I would have thought I had the honors to continue my annual run.
Evidently, that long standing tradition is now obsolete.

What was I thinking?

RK
"So what is big is not always the Trout nor the Deer but the chance, the being there. And what is full is not necessarily the creel nor the freezer, but the memory." ~ Aldo Leopold
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blade12
roadkill1 wrote:
After starting a thread about the Brewers at Cubs, and the Crew taking 2 of the 3, I would have thought I had the honors to continue my annual run.
Evidently, that long standing tradition is now obsolete.

What was I thinking?

RK


Welcome to America 2019. Do what YOU want, when YOU want, however YOU want, because YOU want no matter what anyone else's legal rights or honors may be.
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roadkill1
blade12 wrote:


Welcome to America 2019. Do what YOU want, when YOU want, however YOU want, because YOU want no matter what anyone else's legal rights or honors may be.

Does anyone remember the roll I got on last year?

Oh well.
I don't think it was gonna happen again anyways.
But now we will never know!

RK
"So what is big is not always the Trout nor the Deer but the chance, the being there. And what is full is not necessarily the creel nor the freezer, but the memory." ~ Aldo Leopold
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blade12
roadkill1 wrote:

Does anyone remember the roll I got on last year?

Oh well.
I don't think it was gonna happen again anyways.
But now we will never know!

RK


Maybe you can get on a roll depending upon the results of today's game.
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yzerman1
In a couple of articles yesterday, Wade Miley stated that the Brewers made him an offer this off season but it wasn't close enough to what Houston offered him to make him come back to Milwaukee.  Houston only gave him a one year deal for 4.5 million.  The Brewers low balled Miley and he went to Houston.  I'm thinking Miley is going to do a lot better this off season.  Same situation probably plays out this off season for Lyles and Gio, make them bummy offers that they will turn down and pitch somewhere else next year.
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roadkill1
Wade Miley is a pretty small part of what went wrong this year.
The abject failure of the bull pen is the issue.
That and the poor hitting with RISP.


RK
"So what is big is not always the Trout nor the Deer but the chance, the being there. And what is full is not necessarily the creel nor the freezer, but the memory." ~ Aldo Leopold
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yzerman1
roadkill1 wrote:
Wade Miley is a pretty small part of what went wrong this year.


RK


Wiley is indeed a small part of the Brewers problems this year.  However, by not willing to offer him 4.5 million for this year, you lost out on 28 starts with an ERA of 3.06.  Instead you got 12 starts from Corbin Burnes and Freddy Peralta, which the team lost 8 of them, and an ERA of 8.30.  If Jordan Lyles keeps pitching like he has for the Brewers this year, I can see the same situation playing itself out over the winter with him.  If he Brewers would offer Lyles 8 million for the next two years, which is chump change in todays game, he would sign up for that in a New York minute. 
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oldballcoach1
yzerman1 wrote:


I agree that Counsell didn't have one of his better games today.  I was listening on ESPN radio and they said Counsell told them that Hader, Pomeranz, and Guerra were not available today.  I guess he would rather have a tired Guerra over Faria, Nelson, or Williams.  I hate when they run use pitchers as pinch runners, they have absolutely no instincts on the bases.  Freitas is probably the better choice in that spot.  Way too high of leverage spot to use Suter today.  

The one thing I do agree with Counsell on was not bunting in the 10th inning.   You actually have a lower run expectancy with one out and a runner on second than you do with no outs and a runner on first.  Secondly, there is no way Yelich would have gotten to swing the bat if first base is open, especially with rally killer Hernan Perez hitting behind him.  Why not put Shaw at second, slide Spangenberg over to short, and keep Moustakas in the game to start the 10th inning or just put Perez at short and take Shaw out of the game?  Taking Moustakas out of the game, unless his injury flared up, was stupid.


How many intentional walks have the Astros issued this year??  0.  None.  Hinch doesn't believe in them and he would have had to do something he had not done all year.  And if he did walk Yelich, it puts runners on 1st and 2nd with 1 out.  You have to take that chance.  If Yelich was left standing in the on deck circle, that would have topped the list of bad moves CC has made this year.  
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How many intentional walks have the Astros issued this year??  0.  None.  Hinch doesn't believe in them and he would have had to do something he had not done all year.  And if he did walk Yelich, it puts runners on 1st and 2nd with 1 out.  You have to take that chance.  If Yelich was left standing in the on deck circle, that would have topped the list of bad moves CC has made this year.  


You have the situation wrong.  Freitas led off with a walk.  Under your strategy, Grisham would but him over to second.  That brings Grandal to the plate with one out, if Grandal would have made an out, then Yelich comes to the plate with two outs and an open base and Hernan Perez on deck.  There is no way Houston pitches to Yelich with two outs and an open base and Hernan Perez following him.  If you bunt, you are basically putting the game in Grandal's hands.  By not bunting, Grandal and Yelich each got a chance to hit.  The Brewers have only had a position player sacrifice twice all season(lowest in the National League), so they obviously don't believe in that strategy either.  The team that doesn't bunt vs the team that does intentionally walk anyone. 
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db11
Quality start from Lyles, solid work from Pomeranz and Hader and a three-run bomb from Thames were all the Brewers needed to grab a 4-2 win over the Astros.

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/astros-vs-brewers/2019/09/03/567621#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=567621
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