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oldballcoach1
With the farm system being so lowly thought of, you would think it wouldn't be the time to decrease and basically eliminate parts of the scouting department, but that is what the Brewers have done.  Multiple scouts were let go with the idea of merging the pro and amateur scouting department.  Instead of relying on the human eye, apparently Stearns and Company are going to grow the analytics department and feel that they can not only prep the big league team with computer driven data and rely on the the major prospect camps and events to scout the amateur ranks.  

We are obviously moving to a data driven industry in baseball and with a number of ways to gather information, the Brewers have decided to purge the scouting department.  It will be interesting to see how this goes.  Data is great, but there is something to be said to have that human assessment of a player that you may end up investing a lot of money in.  I know it isn't like they will draft or sign guys without having some contact, but it sounds like they are going to cut back on the early and roving scout idea.  

Anyway, a loss tonight really puts this team in a bind.  I think that will be 5 games back with 35 left.  Time will quickly begin to tick away.  With a number of games with the Cubs and Cards to come, there is obviously a chance.  But, I am not sure anyone who is confident in this teams pitching staff and ability to hit in the clutch.  

As far as the fire goes - I totally see the lack of fire.  The leaders of this team are not firey guys.  Yelich is laid back.  Braun, never has been a leader, Cain isn't performing, and there is no bulldog on the pitching staff.  And, CC has no fire by nature.  I will not be shocked to see him get run out of a game here in the near future to try to light a fire.  But that is not natural to him and easy to see through.  Pat Murphy has some fire.  I think Moustakas has some fire.  At some point, you need that guy that will take no prisoners and put a foot into someone's behind.  Hard nosed get after it type.  
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db11
Just a really bad bottom fifth/top sixth for the Brewers. Again, a microcosm of the season.

Hopefully, they can hold on.
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Looks perilous now.

Houser was cruising and the defense has completely come apart at the seams behind him.

#DumpsterFire
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A rain delay. Wunderbar.
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A rain delay. Wunderbar.


Actually, bless this storm cell.

Brewers win!
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yzerman1
The thing about the change in the Brewers scouting department is much ado about nothing.  All they are doing is copying the model the Houston Astros, David Stearns former team, adopted in 2017.  I personally don't like what they are doing, but it seems to be working pretty well for the Astros right now.   I'm assuming that the Brewers are going to copy the way Houston is doing it.  That means they will eliminate field scouts and add more evaluators who will be based in Milwaukee.   The scouts that are in the field will mainly scout amateur players in high school, college, and Latin America.   The scouting of pro players will be done in Milwaukee by evaluators who will analyze data and video analysis.  They have no need to go out and see players because they can get all of the data they need from Trackman and Statcast data which is available at all stadiums in the major and minor leagues.   If they want to see certain players they can always go out and see them.  I think there is something to be gained from seeing players in person but they feel otherwise.  In about five years we will be able to judge if this new way of doing things is successful.  When you have the worst minor league system there is only way you can go, you can't get any lower than they are right now.
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roadkill1
Billy Ball gone wild!

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blade12
yzerman1 wrote:
The thing about the change in the Brewers scouting department is much ado about nothing.  All they are doing is copying the model the Houston Astros, David Stearns former team, adopted in 2017.  I personally don't like what they are doing, but it seems to be working pretty well for the Astros right now.   I'm assuming that the Brewers are going to copy the way Houston is doing it.  That means they will eliminate field scouts and add more evaluators who will be based in Milwaukee.   The scouts that are in the field will mainly scout amateur players in high school, college, and Latin America.   The scouting of pro players will be done in Milwaukee by evaluators who will analyze data and video analysis.  They have no need to go out and see players because they can get all of the data they need from Trackman and Statcast data which is available at all stadiums in the major and minor leagues.   If they want to see certain players they can always go out and see them.  I think there is something to be gained from seeing players in person but they feel otherwise.  In about five years we will be able to judge if this new way of doing things is successful.  When you have the worst minor league system there is only way you can go, you can't get any lower than they are right now.


As long as they want to spend like the Astros that could work.  Houston has $121 mil tied up in only 7 players next year and will have to pay arbi raises to Springer, Correa and some others.
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I think, based on opinions posted here often, the entire Franchise should just dissolve itself or at least move.

This is hopeless and there is no chance anything could ever happen to please most of the posters here.

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yzerman1
blade12 wrote:


As long as they want to spend like the Astros that could work.  Houston has $121 mil tied up in only 7 players next year and will have to pay arbi raises to Springer, Correa and some others.


There are always going to be teams that can outspend Milwaukee.  What is being discussed is the process that is used to evaluate players both professionally and in the amateur ranks.  Houston's process right now is about as good as it gets.    
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roadkill1 wrote:
I think, based on opinions posted here often, the entire Franchise should just dissolve itself or at least move.

This is hopeless and there is no chance anything could ever happen to please most of the posters here.

Mr RK 


Sadly, I came of age in the post-Yount Era, so just about all I know is underachievement, incompetent GMs, poor developmental structure and loads of prospects that never panned out.

It's a hard cycle to break.
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db11 wrote:


Sadly, I came of age in the post-Yount Era, so just about all I know is underachievement, incompetent GMs, poor developmental structure and loads of prospects that never panned out.

It's a hard cycle to break.


Other than the beginning of the Harry Dalton/George Bamberger era in the late 70s through 1982, that's the norm.  Next year will be the Brewers 50th year and they have only five playoff appearances.  Three division titles, one wild card, and one split season division title(On a seperate note, I wish baseball would go to split season like most of the minor leagues use now) in 49 years is a lot of frustration.  Unfortunately, this current window could be closing rather quickly.
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oldballcoach1
roadkill1 wrote:
I think, based on opinions posted here often, the entire Franchise should just dissolve itself or at least move.

This is hopeless and there is no chance anything could ever happen to please most of the posters here.

Mr RK 


I think what you are seeing Road is a lot of frustration people have over this team - this year.  All of us are huge Brewer fans to the end - but this season is quickly becoming a failure because it isn't going as we all expected.  After last season and the magic that occurred, it seemed as if the window of opportunity was there for this team to break through and make it to the World Series.  After all, we took the Dodgers to 7 games in the league championship and expectations were high to get past them.  

But things quickly seemed to go off the rails when Stearns decided to move on from Miley and Gonzalez and insert the 3 youngsters into the starting rotation.  I don't know anyone that felt that was a good move.  We can then go through the number of pitching misses he has had with guys and then topped it off with some moves at the trade deadline that were hugely questionable and combined oddly enough with not making other moves that were there to be had.  

CC's pitching philosophy and severe overuse of the bullpen is a big frustration for many.  His moves at times don't add up and have not worked.  

The loss of Knebel has really hurt.  Jeffress has never found it this season and is a sieve.  There is no middle relief, Hader has struggled giving up home runs late in games and the starting staff hasn't performed.  Some of that due to injury, some of it due to just not being very good.  Cain has struggled, Aguilar flamed out and was traded, Arcia continues to be bad at the plate, and Shaw is on his way to being released because of lack of production.  Braun is now an average hitter and closing in on the end of his career.  There is a lot of blame to go around for everyone's frustration.  

What adds to the frustration is we are watching a player putting up historic numbers in Yelich.  It almost feels like what he is doing is being wasted.  It is maddening to watch this team at times.  A good two week run could turn our frustration into jubilation - but it just doesn't feel like that is going to happen with what we have seen so far this season.  
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blade12
yzerman1 wrote:


There are always going to be teams that can outspend Milwaukee.  What is being discussed is the process that is used to evaluate players both professionally and in the amateur ranks.  Houston's process right now is about as good as it gets.    


It sure doesn't hurt that when you don't develop SP you can go out and add $60-70 mil/yr of Verlander and Greinke. It could be that due to developing good, young and cheap talent in other positions they are able to spend like that but can it last once Altuve, Springer, Correa and some others start getting bigger paydays?
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