db11
Game 1: Zach Davies (8-5, 3.74) vs. Dakota Hudson (11-6, 3.82)
Game 2: Gio Gonzalez (2-1, 3.81) vs. Michael Wacha (6-6, 5.44)
Game 3: Adrian Houser (5-5, 3.76) vs. Adam Wainwright (9-8, 4.33)

Let the alcohol flow.
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blade12
Definitely cannot get swept in this or probably any other series the rest of the way.  Need to keep pace with the 2-3 other teams in the race that will win their series.

Other key series:
Giants at Cubs
Phils at Boston
Indians at Mets
Nats at Pitt
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yzerman1
When Ray Black pitched over the weekend, he became the 28th different pitcher to pitch this year for the Brewers(not including position players).  That's a staggering number.  From that group of 28, twelve different guys have started games this year.  In Spring Training the focus is on the five starters and eight guys that make up the bullpen.  In reality, the focus should be on whether you have 20 quality arms that can pitch at the major league level.  You need 20 pitchers to get through a season and probably eight guys who are capable of starting.  The weakness of the farm system made it difficult to accomplish much at the trade deadline and it has also hurt in pitching depth.  The Brewers are forced to recycle the same lousy pitchers back and forth from San Antonio and expect different results from the last time they were in the majors. 
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oldballcoach1
Kind of a strange situation occurred Saturday.  Apparently, Cory Spangenberg was in Washington ready to be added to the roster.  This was before the long game Saturday.  After the game and because CC wanted another arm, he was not added to the roster and they opted for Aaron Wilkerson to fly all night and pitch on no sleep.  

The question is, what were they going to do with Spangenberg??  Adding him to the roster not only meant someone was either being sent out or sent to the IL, but because he is not on the 40 man roster, someone would have to have been DFA.  Some rumbling Cain was going to the IL, but he says he is fine and should be playing tonight.  If they would not have put Cain on the IL then, it had to be a pitcher headed out.  But again, this was before the game Saturday and before Peralta's melt down and Black's appearance.  CC doesn't like to go shorthanded in the bullpen, so that doesn't make sense to send out a pitcher. 

And then who was the DFA to open up a roster spot??  Maybe there has been more out there since Saturday, but I haven't seen anything.  Just a real odd situation.
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db11
We are now reduced to hoping not to get no-hit and trying to figure what rock bottom really is for this team.
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blade12
db11 wrote:
We are now reduced to hoping not to get no-hit and trying to figure what rock bottom really is for this team.


They are going to ride this out as they eagerly await the Sept call ups to add as many possible arms as they can add and from there on out it will be "initial out getters" and LOOGYS and 1 batter faced hodgepodge of pitching changes and mound visits and 4+ hour long games.
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oldballcoach1
I take it Blade your not a fan of the fresh arm philosophy employed by Stearns and CC?  It was interesting listening the other day on ESPN between the little league world series game and the Sunday night game and the conversation some had in regards to pitching around the league.  They talked specifically about out getters and starters going 5 innings and what it has lead to is the erosion of the bullpen effectiveness.  Guys are overworked and as a result, I think for the first time, bullpen ERA's are higher than starters ERA's across the league.  While we see the Brewers disaster of a bullpen flounder along, they are not alone.  

My issue with Stearns and CC is the free flow of below average performers that seem to go from San Antonio to Milwaukee and back.  None of those guys can sustain success and the excuse of "fresh arm" has some merit - performance should trump a fresh arm.  Yes Aaron Wilkerson was fresh Sunday, but he has not helped the team win games and been able to consistently get outs.  His fresh arm doesn't make a bit of difference and if anything, he lessens the chances of winning with his lack of success.  This holds true for all of those guys.  If you have success with this idea, then great.  But the Brewers are not and they do not have the guys available to have success.  

Most of the experts are moving away from the out getters and that with the results we are now seeing, starters will once again gain importance and getting through 6 innings and 3 times through an order will once again be an expectation.  

Anyway, a woeful game last night at the plate.  Thank god they didn't get no hit.  Today becomes a very important game. Losing today could start a snow ball forming.
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blade12
I take it Blade your not a fan of the fresh arm philosophy employed by Stearns and CC?  It was interesting listening the other day on ESPN between the little league world series game and the Sunday night game and the conversation some had in regards to pitching around the league.  They talked specifically about out getters and starters going 5 innings and what it has lead to is the erosion of the bullpen effectiveness.  Guys are overworked and as a result, I think for the first time, bullpen ERA's are higher than starters ERA's across the league.  While we see the Brewers disaster of a bullpen flounder along, they are not alone.  

My issue with Stearns and CC is the free flow of below average performers that seem to go from San Antonio to Milwaukee and back.  None of those guys can sustain success and the excuse of "fresh arm" has some merit - performance should trump a fresh arm.  Yes Aaron Wilkerson was fresh Sunday, but he has not helped the team win games and been able to consistently get outs.  His fresh arm doesn't make a bit of difference and if anything, he lessens the chances of winning with his lack of success.  This holds true for all of those guys.  If you have success with this idea, then great.  But the Brewers are not and they do not have the guys available to have success.  

Most of the experts are moving away from the out getters and that with the results we are now seeing, starters will once again gain importance and getting through 6 innings and 3 times through an order will once again be an expectation.  

Anyway, a woeful game last night at the plate.  Thank god they didn't get no hit.  Today becomes a very important game. Losing today could start a snow ball forming.


Lots of factors to it IMO. Injuries (Knebel, Woodruff, Chacin) and unexpected ineffectiveness (Burnes , Chacin, Jeffress) among them.  Heading into the year with a pitching staff of suspect guys that they knew would be bouncing between MLB and AAA all year (Barnes, Williams, Wilkerson, Smith, Jackson, and now Black and Faria). Also a failure to build up a weak farm system forcing them to recycle the same ineffective guys.  

Hoping they find some magic in a bottle but looks like 1 foot on the edge of a cliff and the other on a banana peel. Can't get swept by the Cards.
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roadkill1
At the risk of sounding melodramatic, the Brewers need to win tonight.


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db11
Anyone watching this sixth inning?

Microcosm of the season.

Loser franchise.
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nyybball
This team is just painful to watch....There is nothing in baseball that pisses me off more than walks, 9 of them so far tonight, 3 with the bases loaded.  
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blade12
db11 wrote:
Anyone watching this sixth inning?

Microcosm of the season.

Loser franchise.


Where is the fire and passion from ANYONE on this team??  Braun should be laying out to catch that ball but he's soft and tails off to make it an impossible play for Perez. The rest just accept what is going on like it's OK. It's not. I am telling you Wainwright could come out tonight and start throwing at guys and they would take it. The are soft and that comes from their manager.

Should have sold!

Fire Counsell!

If Jeffress doesn't hit the DFA list or at least the IL today I say start looking at Stearns and lining up replacements for him too.
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db11
You can have good years, but until you truly change the culture of this franchise you will always easily slip back into mediocrity.
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blade12
db11 wrote:
You can have good years, but until you truly change the culture of this franchise you will always easily slip back into mediocrity.


You'll be able to tell when they start trying to change the culture by the employment status of Ed Sedar.
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db11
blade12 wrote:


You'll be able to tell when they start trying to change the culture by the employment status of Ed Sedar.


I knew they were in trouble when they refused to completely overhaul the developmental system.
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