blade12
This is the make or break series IMO. They either show up with some fight or they roll over, if they haven't already after that dismal performance in Chicago

Mon 6:05 pm
Lyles (R) vs 6-7 5.15 era
Agrazal (R) 2-2 3.65 era

Tues 6:05 pm
Anderson 5-2 3.73 era vs
Brault (L) 3-1 4.15 era

Wed 6:05 pm
Davies (R) 8-5 3.75era vs
Williams (R) 4-4 4.75 era
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oldballcoach1
CC puts Grisham back at the top of the lineup and in LF for tonights game. Cain moves down in the order to 6th.  Braun is on the bench once again.  It will be interesting to see if Grisham gets a couple more hits tonight how CC juggles things.  It is hard to imagine he keeps Braun on the bench, but the only solution seems to be having him play 1B and now is sounds like that isn't in the plan.  If there is a plan.  With a lefty going Tuesday night in Brault and Thames hitting about .215 against lefties, it would seem that is a place where you would see Braun.  Although, he may choose to sit Grisham and play Thames or Shaw at 1B and Braun in LF I suppose.  

This is a big series.  Getting 2 of 3 is a must and then they need to get 5 of 6 at home from Texas and the Twins.  Someone needs to step up and be clutch.  
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yzerman1
Eric Thames gets the start at first tonight.  His slash line since July 1 is .182/.276/.364 which is terrible.  However, the other option has a slash line of .162/.273/.279 which is even worse.  Orlando Arcia is having a worse season than last year and should be sent down to San Antonio.  Fortunately for him, the Brewers traded their best option to replace him and can't go outside of the organization to really replace him.  It's tough to score runs when you are getting almost nothing from the bottom third of the lineup.
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blade12
CC puts Grisham back at the top of the lineup and in LF for tonights game. Cain moves down in the order to 6th.  Braun is on the bench once again.  It will be interesting to see if Grisham gets a couple more hits tonight how CC juggles things.  It is hard to imagine he keeps Braun on the bench, but the only solution seems to be having him play 1B and now is sounds like that isn't in the plan.  If there is a plan.  With a lefty going Tuesday night in Brault and Thames hitting about .215 against lefties, it would seem that is a place where you would see Braun.  Although, he may choose to sit Grisham and play Thames or Shaw at 1B and Braun in LF I suppose.  

This is a big series.  Getting 2 of 3 is a must and then they need to get 5 of 6 at home from Texas and the Twins.  Someone needs to step up and be clutch.  


It would be Yaz at 1B and Pina at C. 

Hiura comes up and is killing it but can't get near the top of the order. Dubon comes up and gets 2 AB's. Grisham comes up seemingly with no plan on where and how to play him in the OF and gets to leadoff right away.  If you are going to bring young guys up play them but that didn't seem to be the case with Dubon when Arcia was getting benched for Saladino anyway. Not sure I know what CC is doing. Not sure he even knows.

DFA prediction:  Jeffress doesn't make it to Aug 20th with this team. Maybe they come up with a "tired arm" and put him on the IL but a DFA isn't out of the question.
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blade12
And Davies just hit the IL.  Devin Williams will come up along with Jacob Faria and Wilkerson as is sent to AAA.
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oldballcoach1
Alright, so Davies goes to the IL - the same time you send down the guy that was really one of the few options to pitch in his place.  I like the idea of having Devin Williams up and seeing what he can offer and I guess if you trade for Faria, he should be up also. 

Counsell now says it will be a bullpen day on Wednesday.  At this point, I would have rather seen them bring up Supak to start Wednesday.  By going with a bullpen day, that limits guys tonight and tomorrow night I would think.  If you are going to be the opener or next guy up Wednesday, then you probably are not going to see action for sure tomorrow night and possibly tonight.  This puts a huge amount of pressure on Lyles for tonight.  He needs to go at least 6, if not 7 innings.  A short start tonight sets this up for a long series.  
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traviswilson
Thames, Moose, and Grandal provided at least some protection for and production to go along with Yelich in the first half of the year. All three have pretty much disappeared in the last month. When you know you have other significant holes in your lineup (Arcia, Cain, 1B not named Thames, 2B much of the year), it's damn near impossible to do anything when the rest of the bunch is just as bad. 

I have to agree with what many have stated here previously, after their initial plans fell apart in pretty much every area (starting pitching, bullpen, and now hitting), the Brewers have wandered aimlessly with no discernible plan for the rest of this year or going forward. Didn't/couldn't buy any usable pieces that improved the team at the deadline, and didn't sell for long term help either. In fact, their moves hurt their long-term "plan" while not offering any help in the immediate.
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oldballcoach1
A good start to the series.  Was nice to see the bats come around and have some life.  We are really spoiled in watching Yelich.  What he does at times is really hard to comprehend.  As booming a shot as the 2nd HR was, the first was just as impressive going the opposite way.  And once again, Trent Grisham does some damage and is going to really force the hand of CC.  Lefty today, so it will be interesting to see if he puts him back out there.  If he does, then it pushes Braun back to the bench - unless he goes to 1B.  I think that really has to be discussed.  It is hard to justify $19 million sitting on the bench and if Grisham continues to produce, he has to play.  

Chase Anderson has to get through some innings tonight.  With no real plan for tomorrow other than to throw a bunch of guys, it will be pretty important to not have to use 3-4 guys out of the pen tonight.  Plus, we know Hader won't pitch tonight and Peralta struggled once again last night,  so he may not be an option tonight.  Not a comforting thought to think we have to probably rely on Jeremy Jeffress to close tonight.  
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db11
yzerman1 wrote:
Eric Thames gets the start at first tonight.  His slash line since July 1 is .182/.276/.364 which is terrible.  However, the other option has a slash line of .162/.273/.279 which is even worse.  Orlando Arcia is having a worse season than last year and should be sent down to San Antonio.  Fortunately for him, the Brewers traded their best option to replace him and can't go outside of the organization to really replace him.  It's tough to score runs when you are getting almost nothing from the bottom third of the lineup.


Obviously you'd like everyone to exceed expectation, but I can't be the only guy who thinks Arcia has been just fine this year and was befuddled when he was benched for Saladino?
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db11 wrote:


Obviously you'd like everyone to exceed expectation, but I can't be the only guy who thinks Arcia has been just fine this year and was befuddled when he was benched for Saladino?

I second this. Though Arcia is streaky as always, I felt he’s prolonged some hot streaks, something he couldn’t do at all until the tail end of last season.
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oldballcoach1
So, to solve the issue to get Grisham into the lineup - and he does deserve to be in the lineup -  CC decides to sit the MVP Yelich.  This after hitting 2 HR's last night for 3 in in last two games.  When your team has struggled to score - you have the league MVP who is arguably one of the top 3 hitters in all of baseball right now and you are battling for your playoff life - he shouldn't get a night off.  They have a day off on Thursday.  That is the time to rest him.  

Instead of playing Braun at 1B - they shift him to RF.  I don't understand the move quite honestly.  

And the way things are going, I am not going to be shocked to see Arcia sit tomorrow and we see Moustakas at SS.  It would just seem to fit as tomorrow's game is already in disarray with not having a starter.  

Guys, I am starting to really wonder what the path of the team is.  I missed Stearns today on the Bill MIchaels show.  I wish I would have heard some of his reasoning for the decisions they are making.  When you are 4 games out of first with 48 left to play, and the teams that are in front of you face quality opponents, it isn't the time to rest your best player and not have a starter for a game.  
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yzerman1
whfan202 wrote:

I second this. Though Arcia is streaky as always, I felt he’s prolonged some hot streaks, something he couldn’t do at all until the tail end of last season.


Arcia has not been fine this season, he has been really bad.  Even saying that, there is no way he should be sitting and Tyler Saladino starting in his place.  Both Fangraphs and Baseball Reference have him as a below average defender at short this year.  So far this season he is -1 DRS.  This is his fourth year in the majors and in three of those years he was below replacement level(Fangraphs War).  Here are the career stats for three players:

Eric Sogard:  2085 PA  .248/.318/.344  OPS+ 83   wRC+  83
Tyler Saladino:  1064 PA  .226/.278/.330  OPS+  66  wRC+ 64
Orlando Arcia:  1529 PA  .247/.296/.366  OPS+ 73  wRC+  71

So far this year Arcia is .232/.296/.367   wRC+  70.  Arcia's season this year is just like his past years, not very good.  He is such a disappointment to me.  I thought he would be a second coming of Omar Viquel but he has turned out to be something in the middle of Tyler Saladino and Eric Sogard.   People are just used to his mediocrity.  They gave away the only alternative they had to replace to San Francisco.  They have to look for sort sort of upgrade at short this off season.

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blade12
db11 wrote:


Obviously you'd like everyone to exceed expectation, but I can't be the only guy who thinks Arcia has been just fine this year and was befuddled when he was benched for Saladino?


Not a fan of Arcia at all but so long as he gives them .240 and plays good or better than good defense he'll be fine although he is maddening with the way he gives away AB's and if he would just shorten his swing he'd probably hit closer to .270.

BP day today. I think I saw Pomeranz will get the start. I would guess we will get our first look at Williams today. In no particular order we will also likely see Guerra, Claudio, Jeffress and then Peralta and Hader since there is an off day tomorrow.

Odd play with the obstruction call.  Who said CC can't mfg runs?  IMO Grisham clearly had to move around the C who was in the base path, I thought it was a good call but you don't see that very often.

They have done enough taking 2 of the 3 but a sweep would go a long way leading into a winnable Texas series this weekend.
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Arcia has the 2nd worst BA for any SS with 300 PA and is the only one of that group with a negative WAR.  If you consider that fine, I assume you don't aspire to win anything.
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oldballcoach1
The issue with SS is that right now, the only solution will be to go outside of the organization to fill that spot for at least the next 3-4 years until Turang would be in the position to come up.  Apparently, the organization felt that Dubon wasn't going to be able to surpass Arcia, so they moved on from him.  If Arcia were to get hurt, I would assume that they would bring Tyler Saladino or Hernan Perez back, but really, with some of the moves they have made, maybe Stearns and CC think that Moustakas could do it.  

Until Arcia decides that he is not a 20 hr a year guy and is more valuable to the team hitting .250 and playing good solid defense - this is what we are going to get.  With no real competition for him, he is now very comfortable and really has no need to do anything different.    

For me, Arcia is not the answer at SS unless he changes his approach at the plate.  I don't see that happening as he has the same approach now as he did when he first came up.  It hasn't been addressed by the organization and has been endorsed as they moved the one guy that was a challenger for his position.  The free agent list for next season is not great, Freddie Galvis, but he earned himself a pretty good raise this year, Elvis Andrus who is making $15 million this year, or Jose Iglesias who the Reds probably won't let get away. 

Back to the series, another good win last night.  I have a feeling we will see both Yelich and Cain on the bench today and I really wonder if CC will sit Arcia.  I don't like this idea that we already won the the series, so today isn't an important game.  Go after the sweep and continue to put pressure on the Cubs and Cards  as they both face tough tasks.    
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