yzerman1
Disappointing start to this weekend series, but it's kind of how the last 72 games have gone.   The Brewers are 35-37 over that time frame.  The three losses this week have been the result of sloppy play.  In last night's game, the tying and go ahead both were the result of walks.  Can't turn double plays and throwing to the wrong base add up to a one run loss last night.  If you have to pitch Hader two innings to get saves, then he isn't going to be available at times and you get what happened last night with him not available. 

Counsel said that Tyler Saladino would be splitting time with Arcia.  If that's the case, then bring back Hernan Perez.  I don't care what he has done in the minors, everyone is destroying the ball in AAA this year.  In 1000 plate appearances in the majors he has produced a slash line of .232/.282/.337.  He was slightly better for the Brewers last year, .246/.302/.398.  Last night didn't show it, but these are the two worst starting pitching staffs over the past month.  

Saturday:  Brandon Woodruff (9-2, 4.01)  vs  RHP  Jordan Lyles (5-3, 3.64)
Sunday:  Zach Davies (7-2, 3.34)  vs  LHP  Steven Brault  (3-1, 4.50)
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oldballcoach1
I have no problem with Saladino splitting time with Arcia at short and then giving someone else a day off when Arcia is playing.  He doesn't give at bats away as Arcia does or Perez did.  Defensively, he is fine and offers that same as Perez would have.  We can say so and so this or that, but the bottom line comes down to throwing strikes and getting guys out in crucial spots and that is just not happening right now.  The pitching staff has to pick things up and I would purpose a number of changes happening there.  Walks are hurting this team and walks late in games especially.  It was a beginning to sit down Nelson, but outside of Woodruff, what other starter is performing at an acceptable level?  
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I have no problem with Saladino splitting time with Arcia at short and then giving someone else a day off when Arcia is playing.  He doesn't give at bats away as Arcia does or Perez did.  Defensively, he is fine and offers that same as Perez would have.  We can say so and so this or that, but the bottom line comes down to throwing strikes and getting guys out in crucial spots and that is just not happening right now.  The pitching staff has to pick things up and I would purpose a number of changes happening there.  Walks are hurting this team and walks late in games especially.  It was a beginning to sit down Nelson, but outside of Woodruff, what other starter is performing at an acceptable level?  


What changes can they do to the pitching staff other than just get better?  There is no one in the minors that they can bring up and make a difference.   I don't pay attention that much attention to the standings.  I still think it is going to take 92 wins to win the division.  That means that they need to go 49- 31 the rest of the way.  I don't see the Cardinals as anything other than a third place team which means it is going to come down to the Brewers and Cubs for the division title.  After starting out 3-8, the Cubs have gone 41-30.  Brandon Woodruff is on pace to throw 200 innings this year.  That is 80 more innings than he threw the last two years so you have to wonder how he will hold up in September.   Corbin Burnes goes down to San Antonio and throws two innings before getting recalled to Milwaukee.  What was the point of that?  At the beginning of the year they believed enough in him to put him in the starting rotation.  He should be in the minors getting stretched out and getting ready to rejoin the rotation.  The talent didn't suddenly go away.   There just isn't a lot they can do internally to make the pitching staff better.  The minors are really depleted so pulling off a trade is going to be difficult especially when everybody else in playoff contention needs pitching as well.  The Brewers are not on Zack Greinke's list of 15 teams he can't be traded without his consent.  However he is owed 30 million each of the next two seasons.  The more the Brewers are willing to pay of that the less they would have to give up to get him.  Greinke would be a great get for me as it probably is only going to take picking up a big portion of his salary to get him.
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roadkill1
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oldballcoach1
yzerman1 wrote:


What changes can they do to the pitching staff other than just get better?  There is no one in the minors that they can bring up and make a difference.   I don't pay attention that much attention to the standings.  I still think it is going to take 92 wins to win the division.  That means that they need to go 49- 31 the rest of the way.  I don't see the Cardinals as anything other than a third place team which means it is going to come down to the Brewers and Cubs for the division title.  After starting out 3-8, the Cubs have gone 41-30.  Brandon Woodruff is on pace to throw 200 innings this year.  That is 80 more innings than he threw the last two years so you have to wonder how he will hold up in September.   Corbin Burnes goes down to San Antonio and throws two innings before getting recalled to Milwaukee.  What was the point of that?  At the beginning of the year they believed enough in him to put him in the starting rotation.  He should be in the minors getting stretched out and getting ready to rejoin the rotation.  The talent didn't suddenly go away.   There just isn't a lot they can do internally to make the pitching staff better.  The minors are really depleted so pulling off a trade is going to be difficult especially when everybody else in playoff contention needs pitching as well.  The Brewers are not on Zack Greinke's list of 15 teams he can't be traded without his consent.  However he is owed 30 million each of the next two seasons.  The more the Brewers are willing to pay of that the less they would have to give up to get him.  Greinke would be a great get for me as it probably is only going to take picking up a big portion of his salary to get him.


I am jealous Road!!  Great seats!!  

It just seems like we are getting back to want to argue for arguments sake.  So I will bite.  If we don't pay attention to the standings, then how are the Cards a 3rd place team??  I mean, why aren't they a 2nd place team?  Or a 4th place team??  Seems like that is determined by the wins and losses and I think that then gives a place in the standings.  Who cares how many wins you have as long as you win the division.  Paying attention to the team ahead of you is a part of the game.  Last years team didn't shoot for a # of wins - it shot for winning the division.  And that is done by beating the team ahead of you.  Brandon Woodruff??  At what point is it determined he can go for 200 innings??  If he is healthy and strong, why not??  If this team is in the thick of it - he is going out there every 5th day.  Corbin Burnes - I do agree he needs to go down - but either he is a starter or a reliever.  Figure out one or the other and let him get back to pitching on a consistent basis and stop the up and down.  

The talent is there in the minors to make a deal, but is the is return going to be worth it.  To say there isn't talent because there isn't a # behind a guys name or they don't appear on some random list of 100 players is short sided.  Morosi or one of those guys said the Brewers could get Bumgarner for Peralta, Dubon, and Ward.  That deal doesn't cripple this teams prospect list.  And it leaves the top position prospects in Turang and Ray in the system.  There is no doubt the pitching staff needs a lift and some new blood - either from inside the organization or outside.  If we stay inside, I would rather go to guys like I pointed out - Perdomo, Guerra, Brown, or Hart as opposed to recycling Williams and Barnes.  
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And outstanding outing last night for Woodruff.  He is clearly the staff ace at this point and maybe has made the all star team.  He has righted the ship after his early struggles and has really carried the starting staff.  Adrian Houser is scheduled to go again tomorrow in Cincy.  I will say it again, he should be left in the bullpen, but is being given every opportunity it looks like to be a starter.  Zach Davies off to a shaky start today, but maybe he can get through 5.  
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1 run is not a "shakey" start.
5 innings of 1 run ball is pretty decent.

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oldballcoach1
He did come back after a shaky 1st inning.  Things didn't start out looking good.  A good response in a much needed day for Davies.  
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Brewers got good pitching to keep themselves in it as the bats were unclutch again until a 430-foot bomb from Thames in the eighth gave them the lead and then Matt Albers shut the door in the ninth.

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