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trickplayswingames
sp0rtsfan wrote:
mikerohde wrote:
Will Sam stay at UW for four years?


When I first read this, the first thing I thought of was if you meant if he would transfer out! []

I see him playing all 4 years, IMO.

Well if Wisconsin continues to play like this year, watch him move an hour or so east.
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whfan202
trickplayswingames wrote:
sp0rtsfan wrote:
mikerohde wrote:
Will Sam stay at UW for four years?


When I first read this, the first thing I thought of was if you meant if he would transfer out! []

I see him playing all 4 years, IMO.

Well if Wisconsin continues to play like this year, watch him move an hour or so east.

Even if you're being sarcastic, you're making me scared, TPWG. [:%]
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reberns
trickplayswingames wrote:
sp0rtsfan wrote:
mikerohde wrote:
Will Sam stay at UW for four years?


When I first read this, the first thing I thought of was if you meant if he would transfer out! []

I see him playing all 4 years, IMO.

Well if Wisconsin continues to play like this year, watch him move an hour or so east.


You mean making a run at a B1G tourney title. Beating multiple Top 10 ranked teams in conference. Yea, Id want to leave too...
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rmosley
alandoamazing wrote:
coach40 wrote:
alandoamazing wrote:
thecrackerjack wrote:
alandoamazing wrote:
thecrackerjack wrote:
It's almost comical to read what this thread digressed into because one person is overly defensive.



Pointing out that someone made a horrible comparison is overly defensive now?


It's a fair comparison based on the fact both were highly touted and had successful freshman years. I'm sure many were talking about Okey's future much like is being discussed with Dekkers. I think you are reading it as a comparison of character, which from experiences reading about Dekker, there isn't one. Looking at what was written by afan, I don't see that type if comparison anywhere. My comprehension of what he wrote is that we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves.



afan made the comparison to highlight that a player can show promise and then not live up to it. In that regard it is a horrible comparison to make and not fair at all because Okey was a headcase which lead to him not living up to anything.

Dekker on the other hand is about as high character of a player as you could ever hope for. So I'll say again: stupid, stupid comparison.



Actually it is a decent comparison. If you look at it the comparison was on success not mental state. There have been headcases to succeed before!

Does Dekker have promise? Yes
Did Okey have promise? Yes
Do you know Dekker? Probably not...my point, whose to say Dekker stays normal and does not go nuts.



Do I know Dekker personally? No. Do I know about 20 people who do? Yes.

So, you can choose to believe me or not, but that comparison was stupid. Two players could not be more different than Okey and Dekker in terms of character and attitude.

Here's Dekker's post game quotes:

"This might be one of those bulletin-board games you look at every day you work out."

"I want to improve every facet of my game. I could have done so much more for this team."

"This is going to be one of the hardest working off-seasons our team has ever seen. I am going to try to be a leader and push these guys to the next level. Winning a Big Ten title and making a deeper push in the NCAA tournament. We can't be content with anything but the best."



I am not going to make a prediction on the probability of Sammy going pro. Time will tell on that, and there are a lot of variables involved.

I will say this, as somone that does personally know Sam and his family. Basketball aside, Sam his parents Todd and Carrol are some of the nicest and best people you will ever meet. From an attitude and work ethic propsective, Sam is well grounded, and down to earth. Whatever his future holds, I do not believe it will because Sam has an attitude or personality problem that will hinder him. If he stays healthy, and being the best is truly what Sam wants, then I am confident, he will get every last ounce from his "potential" and succeed.
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Chad Ford tweeted a while back that Dekker makes an interesting 2014 draft pick. I would expect him to stay longer than 1 more year though. He seems like the guy that really wants to bring something special to Wisconsin. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see him stay all four years because he loves Wisconsin.

Also, comparing Sam Okey to Sam Dekker is laughable other than their first names. Dekker doesn't have off the court issues, isn't considered the savior to UW basketball, doesn't hate his coach, and his coach doesn't hate him. He also has extreme talent and is driven to play the game of basketball. As anyone who followed Okey, they knew his love for the game was no where near what Dekker's appears to be.

I think people must be forgetting how much talent Okey really had. He still is arguably the most talented player to ever put on a Badger uniform. The only reason people don't admit that is because of how things went down after his freshman year.
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mcfc
trickplayswingames wrote:
sp0rtsfan wrote:
mikerohde wrote:
Will Sam stay at UW for four years?


When I first read this, the first thing I thought of was if you meant if he would transfer out! []

I see him playing all 4 years, IMO.

Well if Wisconsin continues to play like this year, watch him move an hour or so east.



Since we're talking crazy transfers, any chance of a move back west for this guy?
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trubeliever
mcfc wrote:
trickplayswingames wrote:
sp0rtsfan wrote:
mikerohde wrote:
Will Sam stay at UW for four years?


When I first read this, the first thing I thought of was if you meant if he would transfer out! []

I see him playing all 4 years, IMO.

Well if Wisconsin continues to play like this year, watch him move an hour or so east.



Since we're talking crazy transfers, any chance of a move back west for this guy?


Talk about a bust and WI next best thing in basketball
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quinnster10
mcfc wrote:
trickplayswingames wrote:
sp0rtsfan wrote:
mikerohde wrote:
Will Sam stay at UW for four years?


When I first read this, the first thing I thought of was if you meant if he would transfer out! []

I see him playing all 4 years, IMO.

Well if Wisconsin continues to play like this year, watch him move an hour or so east.



Since we're talking crazy transfers, any chance of a move back west for this guy?


If Wiggins commits to UNC that might be a possibility as Tokoto would be buried behind Bullock, Hairston, Wiggins, and McDonald. That is a big if for Wiggins though and it's possible Bullock and/or Hairston declare for the draft. Even if Wiggins commits he will only be at UNC for 1 year, Bullock and McDonald graduate next year, and I have to imagine Hairston declares for the draft as well. As a junior, Tokoto would probably be starting as long as his game progresses.
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trickplayswingames
mcfc wrote:
trickplayswingames wrote:
sp0rtsfan wrote:
mikerohde wrote:
Will Sam stay at UW for four years?


When I first read this, the first thing I thought of was if you meant if he would transfer out! []

I see him playing all 4 years, IMO.

Well if Wisconsin continues to play like this year, watch him move an hour or so east.



Since we're talking crazy transfers, any chance of a move back west for this guy?

He'd fit in nicely at MU.
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dawgstyle
trubeliever wrote:
mcfc wrote:
trickplayswingames wrote:
sp0rtsfan wrote:
mikerohde wrote:
Will Sam stay at UW for four years?


When I first read this, the first thing I thought of was if you meant if he would transfer out! []

I see him playing all 4 years, IMO.

Well if Wisconsin continues to play like this year, watch him move an hour or so east.



Since we're talking crazy transfers, any chance of a move back west for this guy?


Talk about a bust and WI next best thing in basketball


He is a bust because he didn't play as a true freshman at a major program?
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alandoamazing
I don't think I'd label Tokoto a bust. He still has a ton of potential. Badly needs to fix his jump shot though.

I'm not sure whether UNC is the best place for him, but it isn't like he hasn't seen the court at all or anything. He has played a bit this year.
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JP is an athletic freak. Physically he is about as off the charts as you are going to find.
And that in someways has hindered his skill development in high school. JP didn't beat kids by angles, hesitations, using screens, or developing better shooting mechanics. He jumped over them, or just ran right by them. Now he is playing with athletes that are more on equal footing. I still think he is probably the best athlete at UNC, and likely would be at the majority of programs he could have attended. Just be a little patient and let him improve his skill sets, to the point they might be on equal footing with his athletic ability. If he achieves that...well, the sky is the limit.
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Roy Williams has stated that Tokoto is the best athlete on this UNC team. Anyone that knows JP and is realistic knew that his jump shot, or lack of, would limit his court time. If he develops any consistency to his shot, he will be a key contributor to that program. If not, he will continue to see 8-10 minutes per game.

Labeling him a bust reflects how impatient and intolerant we have become as sports fans when one does not meet our expectations. He was a high school and AAU phenom...that does not always translate to immediate superstardom at the collegiate level regardless of whether we think it should. I too am disappointed he didn't play more this year, but also realize he is an extremely passionate, hard working, high character young man that has a goal to play at the next level. I prefer to give him more time to develop before labeling him as a failure.

JP is a much better athlete than Sam, but after one year of college ball it is clear why Sam's progression up the rankings in 2011 surpassed JP's. Sam is a better basketball player. Tho, I would love to see both progress and get paid to play in a few years. That would be a great story.
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thecrackerjack
alandoamazing wrote:
I don't think I'd label Tokoto a bust. He still has a ton of potential. Badly needs to fix his jump shot though.

I'm not sure whether UNC is the best place for him, but it isn't like he hasn't seen the court at all or anything. He has played a bit this year.


Agree 100%

He checked into the game a couple of times in the first half last weekend against Kansas.
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whfan202
bb211 wrote:
If he stays UW will break their Elite Eight/Final Four barrier by his senior year.

Bump. Did it by his sophomore year. You're good, BB21.
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