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Very discouraged that the league jumped in bed with the officials regarding Clay Mathews roughing the passer penalty.  Geeeeeee.... BIG SURPRISE THERE-HEY?

We are now entering uncharted waters as to what defenders are supposed to do.  How do you knock someone down without lifting him off the ground?  About the only way you can get a QB down to the ground legally now is basically just ask him to stop what he's doing and to sit down on the ground.  LOL... LOL.... LOL....

I am all for protecting the QB's but to what extent?  The QB's are are grown men that have pads and a helmet just like everyone else.  No one asked them to play football, they wanted too.  They know the dangers of playing QB too.  At this rate, you might as well just not bother playing the game anymore for it will never be the same.
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db11
I'm all for cutting out the BS, but to penalize a technique such as the "scoop-and-pull," which is just an extension of a GOOD FORM TACKLE is ludicrous.

There was a far more egregious S&P on Brady in the Jags/Pats game. Not called! A few plays after Kendricks got called for the same thing on Rodgers, a Vikings D-Lineman took two extra steps and shoved Rodgers to the ground well after the throw. Not called!

If we're gonna go down the road of penalizing good, clean hits, but not call the BS, then the NFL is rightly going to lose a lot of fans...not that the bleeding hasn't already started. So many people I know are only tuning in to watch their team. MNF last night had some of the worst ratings in recent memory. The NFL is so massive it doesn't seem like a huge problem, but give it another 5-10 years, especially if the NFL doesn't get its arms around the things that you know, actually matter.
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wiscopetty
db11 wrote:
I'm all for cutting out the BS, but to penalize a technique such as the "scoop-and-pull," which is just an extension of a GOOD FORM TACKLE is ludicrous.

There was a far more egregious S&P on Brady in the Jags/Pats game. Not called! A few plays after Kendricks got called for the same thing on Rodgers, a Vikings D-Lineman took two extra steps and shoved Rodgers to the ground well after the throw. Not called!

If we're gonna go down the road of penalizing good, clean hits, but not call the BS, then the NFL is rightly going to lose a lot of fans...not that the bleeding hasn't already started. So many people I know are only tuning in to watch their team. MNF last night had some of the worst ratings in recent memory. The NFL is so massive it doesn't seem like a huge problem, but give it another 5-10 years, especially if the NFL doesn't get its arms around the things that you know, actually matter.
This is me. There was a time when I used to turn into plenty of non-Packer games on MNF and SNF. Now, I'll usually have the Brewer game or a movie on instead. I can't really put my finger on it, but the interest just isn't there for me.
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roadkill1
DB, WISCO, you guys are dead on.

I watch the Packers, no other games any more.
MNF with Dandy Don, Frank Gifford and Howard Cosell was MUST SEE TV back in the day!!!

I don't have any idea who announces those shows are who plays.
And don't care.

There is a lot to the reasons why I don't watch much any more.

Most of it has to do with the NBA thug mentality.
(compare Bart Starr to Cam Newton)

In addition, like Harley-Davidson, the NFL has OVER saturated the market.

The product ain't that good either.

JMO

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sportsjunkies
Ratings aren't down because of any implementation of a rule (although it could get that way) because since ratings are down the NFL thinks it needs to change on field play. I see two main issues with why ratings are decreasing (minus that all sports ratings are decreasing, but I bet both of my examples would work for every sport).

1. What they need to fix is how much time is spent on advertisements. If I sit down to watch a football game, that game will take 3+ hours - a recent study showed that during those 3+ hours, only 11 minutes is there actually football being played. The rest is in the huddle while we listen to commentators that aren't very good (outside of a few, I could do away with the rest. Chris Collinsworth is awful) or we watch commercials.

In today's day and age, this formula doesn't work. The NFL is catering to their advertisers more than their viewers, and viewers are leaving because of it. 

Plus streaming. I would be willing to bet that a large percentage of the 20-30 year old crowd streams online not from NFL sanctioned sites. Plus I'm not sure if their viewership takes into account NFL Redzone, but with the onslaught of advertisements, I'll take Hanson on Redzone over anything.

And

2. They have watered down what days to watch sports. You expect me to tune in to Thursday game, Sunday (all day), Sunday Night, and then Monday Night? I have a life, not to mention I'm expected to watch NCAA all Saturday, and Brewers the other nights of the week? Again, I as well as many others have a life to live. Just give me the Youtube highlights.



 
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ash22themagnificent
roadkill1 wrote:
DB, WISCO, you guys are dead on.

I watch the Packers, no other games any more.
MNF with Dandy Don, Frank Gifford and Howard Cosell was MUST SEE TV back in the day!!!

JMO

RK


Ah, yes, Don and Howard certainly traded verbal jabs at each other such Don telling Howard during one broadcast, "I'd never said anything ugly about you, Howard."
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realitycheck
Totally agree with you "JUNK"!  The commercials are out of control.  I personally just watch the Packers as well when it comes to the NFL.  I would much rather watch collage ball because they still let them play football like it's supposed to be played.

I was talking to guys at the bar last night about what could be done to prevent all these types of bad calls or no-calls.  One dude had an idea that he got from the sport of fencing.  In fencing, when one player touches the other player with their foil, a sound and a light goes off signaling a score.  How about the same thing goes with defenders and QB's?  He was sure someone could devise some kind of technology so that when an opposing team touches the QB, the QB's helmet lights up like a Christmas tree which means that he is automatically done there.  Instead of a "QB Sack", they could call it a "QB Light"  LOL... LOL...  Of course I just had to buy him, a beer for that one fo I though it was pretty funny!  Then I piped up and asked why we couldn't just let the refs make the call to see if a defender touches the QB?  Then this guy comes back with a very profound reply:  "Then we're relying on someone who is part of the original problem to begin with."  I guess he's got a point there.

At the end of the day, the idea of making the game safer is important.  However, by default... it is a violent game to begin with so there lies the dilemma...

In reality, this is how I view what's going on now.  Each player that plays elects to do so "ON THEIR OWN" knowing full well the risks.  They also know the rewards as well which is why they do it!  $$$$$$$$$  NO ONE MAKES THESE GUYS PLAY!  If these players are all worried about injuries then simply don't play!  If they want to make the big bucks, then shut up and play.

Now lets look at the money side of things which is pretty much the main reason why all of this nonsense has started!  Keep in mind the type of money we're talking in today's world is very different versus Bart Starr's world.  No team owner wants to lose their QB.  Good ones are hard to find and when they are good, you're spending ridiculous money on ridiculous contracts.  When your QB goes down, your team suffers.  When your team suffers, so does your fan base, ratings, and ad income.  When that starts happening it starts to become a cash flow issue or more like lack there of.  Lets not forget the added income when you make the playoffs either which you most likely won't get.

IMO!  With all this being said, are these new QB rules really trying to protect the player or the owner(s)???  Simply put, it's the almighty dollar that is ruining the game of football as we used to know it...
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db11
Yeah, there's absolutely no flow to NFL games. Too many stoppages. Personally, I'd be all for eliminating the two-minute warning as a start, although I know it won't happen.

Market over-saturation is another huge thing. I'm busy on Thursday's, so I'm never gonna catch those games anyway. By Monday, I'm over football for a few days, after HS and college the previous two days I barely have enough desire to even wanna watch much NFL.

Finally, most of the games are absolute bores to watch. The league has a real problem in that it's basically made itself into a reality show about QBs. Don't have one? Well, then you're a dumpster fire. Fun.

Really hope the NCAA doesn't botch things, because football peaks every weekend with the mid-afternoon Power 5 games.
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elsmith4
db11 wrote:
Yeah, there's absolutely no flow to NFL games. Too many stoppages. Personally, I'd be all for eliminating the two-minute warning as a start, although I know it won't happen.

Market over-saturation is another huge thing. I'm busy on Thursday's, so I'm never gonna catch those games anyway. By Monday, I'm over football for a few days, after HS and college the previous two days I barely have enough desire to even wanna watch much NFL.

Finally, most of the games are absolute bores to watch. The league has a real problem in that it's basically made itself into a reality show about QBs. Don't have one? Well, then you're a dumpster fire. Fun.

Really hope the NCAA doesn't botch things, because football peaks every weekend with the mid-afternoon Power 5 games.


Couldn't agree more.  I look forward to flipping channels to watch ranked matchups much more than I look forward to listening to annoying announcers call flag filled boring games.
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Though Matthews’ hit looked as clean as it gets, he was penalized for roughing the passer, which negated an interception that in all likelihood would have sealed a 29-21 win for Green Bay. Many fans, media members, players and observers are upset that such a hit qualifies as a penalty. Two former referees feel the same way and don’t like the direction the league is going with the penalties.

Anyone who has seen the replay of the hit on Cousins — aside from the NFL itself — agrees that what Matthews did was the definition of a form tackle, rather than any kind of penalty.

This includes the past two NFL officiating chiefs, Dean Blandino and Mike Pereira, who both blasted the league’s take.

Despite all that, the NFL believes that the correct call was made. They feel Matthews lifted up Cousins and stuffed him into the ground, which is something they’re trying to eliminate defenders from doing. The league is also planning to include Matthews’ hit in a video distributed to teams as an example of what a violation looks like."

- YardBarker

The irony in this is that the rules were tightened up this season to protect QB's in part because of the serious injury Packer QB Aaron Rodgers suffered last year at the hands of Viking linebacker Anthony Bahr who put a late hit on Rodgers and then drove him into turf, with all of his weight damaging Rodgers' throwing shoulder ... with no penalty called. The Packers lost Rodgers for the rest of the season last year because the interpretation of the rule was too liberal ... and lost out on an opportunity to clinch a win this past Sunday because of over-enforcement of the revised rule ...

IMO, if Clay Matthews' hit on Kirk Cousins this past Sunday is now considered worthy of a penalty, then the NFL teams may as well discard their helmets & pads and engage in a nice, friendly game of "touch football" on Sunday afternoons !

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-doubles-down-on-stance-that-clay-matthews-hit-was-a-penalty/ar-BBNtSNN

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/former-officiating-chiefs-blast-nfl-over-emphasis-on-roughing-the-passer/ar-BBNtyFZ

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dawgstyle
No one makes QBs play, but no one is going back to watching the 60s and 70s where people threw the ball 15 times a game.  I have no doubt some of you will disagree because of what you prefer, but the vast majority of NFL fans want to see the ball thrown down field and points scored in masses.  The NFL is protecting their product.  People want to watch Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Etc.  If those guys get hurt, their product suffers.  I would venture that ratings for the Packer games were probably down after Rodgers stopped playing last year.  If you measured out that vs the number of people that stop watching because of questionable flags, it probably isn't a tough business decision. 
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db11
dawgstyle wrote:
No one makes QBs play, but no one is going back to watching the 60s and 70s where people threw the ball 15 times a game.  I have no doubt some of you will disagree because of what you prefer, but the vast majority of NFL fans want to see the ball thrown down field and points scored in masses.  The NFL is protecting their product.  People want to watch Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Etc.  If those guys get hurt, their product suffers.  I would venture that ratings for the Packer games were probably down after Rodgers stopped playing last year.  If you measured out that vs the number of people that stop watching because of questionable flags, it probably isn't a tough business decision. 


You're not wrong, but as I said, it's just a reality show about QBs at this point. How about a middle ground? The NFL was pretty great just 7-10 years ago and there were already plenty of these types of rules in place. Where does it stop?
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realitycheck
dawgstyle wrote:
No one makes QBs play, but no one is going back to watching the 60s and 70s where people threw the ball 15 times a game.  I have no doubt some of you will disagree because of what you prefer, but the vast majority of NFL fans want to see the ball thrown down field and points scored in masses.  The NFL is protecting their product.  People want to watch Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Etc.  If those guys get hurt, their product suffers.  I would venture that ratings for the Packer games were probably down after Rodgers stopped playing last year.  If you measured out that vs the number of people that stop watching because of questionable flags, it probably isn't a tough business decision. 


Dawg:  Correct me if I'm wrong but based on what you've said, it sounds like you would rather watch flag or touch football then because in those types of games, you'll get to see all the passing you want and the QBs won't end up getting hurt either.

Anyone could easily debate your comment about fans not watching football because of poor quarterback play versus fans not watching because the defenses can't play defense anymore.  Either way though, you WILL net the same result.  No one will want to watch NFL football anymore... period!

As for the NFL wanting to protect their product?  Of course they do because like I said earlier, it's all about money now.  The love and passion and respect for the game in its purest form has fallen by the wayside in favor of $$$$$$$$$.

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cgrade23
Protecting the QB's for the NFL product is one thing, but there has to be some sort of balance.  These rules have put doubt into the defenders mind.  One play comes to mind that illustrates this.  When Mike Daniels almost sacked Cousins, had him wrapped up, and then let go of Cousins, thinking that the ball was thrown signaled to me that the players are aware of the protection of the QB's and are unsure as to what to do.  Cousins escaped  and what should have been a lose of yards did not happen because of these rules.  Aside from the BS roughing calls, this to me was a more troubling play.
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