alandoamazing
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/59362/you-realize-how-badly-the-t-wolves-screwed-up-the-2009-draft-right

Hilarious. Rubio - Curry. How incredibly simple was the decision? How do you mess that up?

Top Notch, is Rubio not a bust yet? Didn't we bet something on that?
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diener34
alandoamazing wrote:
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/59362/you-realize-how-badly-the-t-wolves-screwed-up-the-2009-draft-right

Hilarious. Rubio - Curry. How incredibly simple was the decision? How do you mess that up?

Top Notch, is Rubio not a bust yet? Didn't we bet something on that?


I thought Top Notch was notoriously anti-Rubio?
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diener34
I just got lost on Wikipedia and NBAdraft.net going from 2009-present in Timberwolves drafts.

Look at the trail of names and picks given up. They just keep stacking talent and high picks for poor players.

They hit a home run with Love and thats the only thing keeping them afloat. I wouldn't even call Rubio a bust, but he's not been valuable enough to justify the top 5 pick and the 2 years absence.
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alandoamazing
diener34 wrote:
alandoamazing wrote:
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/59362/you-realize-how-badly-the-t-wolves-screwed-up-the-2009-draft-right

Hilarious. Rubio - Curry. How incredibly simple was the decision? How do you mess that up?

Top Notch, is Rubio not a bust yet? Didn't we bet something on that?


I thought Top Notch was notoriously anti-Rubio?



Yes he is. I think Rubio is one of the best young PGs in the league. Easily, actually.

IMO he was worth that pick even with the wait to get him, because the TWolves were sucking those years anyways and you don't have a chance at a PG with his talent very often. (Although ironically they had a chance at three highly talented PGs that year)
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Ah, Didn't think you liked Rubio.

He's definitely no Curry, but after Curry, they could have done a lot worse than Rubio.

In Fact, after Curry, they have to go down to Henderson, Holliday, Lawson or Teague to get a comparable output.

However, Rubio wasn't the problem, it was Johnny Flynn. He's probably #2 behind Joe Alexander on Lottery busts in the past decade.

Back to back top 6 picks and you have to come out with more than Rubio and Flynn. If you're a small market, at least.

Even at the time I remember the Flynn pick being very very disliked league wide.

The fact they also just kind of gave away Lawson for what ended up being Martell Webster is just sad.
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alandoamazing
diener34 wrote:
Ah, Didn't think you liked Rubio.

He's definitely no Curry, but after Curry, they could have done a lot worse than Rubio.

In Fact, after Curry, they have to go down to Henderson, Holliday, Lawson or Teague to get a comparable output.

However, Rubio wasn't the problem, it was Johnny Flynn. He's probably #2 behind Joe Alexander on Lottery busts in the past decade.

Back to back top 6 picks and you have to come out with more than Rubio and Flynn. If you're a small market, at least.

Even at the time I remember the Flynn pick being very very disliked league wide.

The fact they also just kind of gave away Lawson for what ended up being Martell Webster is just sad.



Right, you absolutely have to take Rubio and Curry with those two picks. And that isn't even hind sight, that was crystal clear during the draft. The Flynn pick was beyond awful.
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Former NBA head coach Flip Saunders is expected to return to the Minnesota Timberwolves as the team?s next president of basketball operations, NBA.com has learned.

Appears the KAHN is GONE. IMO, he will not be missed in Wolves country.
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diener34
afan1 wrote:
Former NBA head coach Flip Saunders is expected to return to the Minnesota Timberwolves as the team?s next president of basketball operations, NBA.com has learned.

Appears the KAHN is GONE. IMO, he will not be missed in Wolves country.


Well...John Hammond is a past NBA Executive of the year. If you guys lose Kahn, us Bucks fans would really appreciate it if you "Plucked" this "Gem" of a "GM" from our "Great" franchise.
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diener34
Nevermind, it looks like I misunderstood what position he's taking and won't need a GM, since he'll be that.
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topnotch1
Not sure how I missed this thread 6 months ago but anyway:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/87263/courtvision-whats-the-matter-with-ricky-rubio

As you can read in that article, Ricky Rubio is not just a poor shooter, he's possibly the worst shooting wing player of all time. And not just jump shooting. Dude can't finish at the rim worth a darn - so he's not a fair comparison to the Jason Kidd, Rajon Rondo types.

I was at a T-Wolves game a couple weeks back and Rubio is clearly scared to shoot layups. I've never seen anything like it on an NBA court. 4-5x each game he gets all the way to the hoop... then circles underneath and hopes to shovel a pass to a trailer. He needs to be finishing those shots at the rim - he can get to the line (where he's shooting 85%) and put the other team in foul trouble. It's not unusual this year for Adelman to bench him in the 4th quarter in favor of JJ Barea. It's not hard to make the case that Rubio has gotten worse since his rookie year - he's playing a couple fewer minutes, taking fewer shots, shooting a worse %, and his assist and rebound numbers are basically unchanged.

Am I implying Rubio is a bust? No, I don't believe so. He's a much better defender than I anticipated and his passing is truly next-level. I'd love to see what kind of passes he could pull off if defenders had to respect his shot a little more a la Steve Nash. He's also still very young, although it's pretty unsettling that he's shown little improvement so far, we also need to remember he lost a year to a torn ACL.

All in all, Rubio is a nice player, not a bust, but he's looking like a long shot to ever be a superstar and I suspect he'll never even be an All Star (his international fame, good looks and ASG-style passing may help him, though). I'm praying the Wolves don't waste a max-level extension on him.
Ricky Rubio will be a Pamela Anderson sized bust.

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