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I just heard that MN high school hockey is now re-seeding the 8 teams that make the state tournament instead of pre-determined sectional winner match-ups. The coaches get together and decide the top four seeds, then the bottom four are randomly matched up against the top four. Someday perhaps WI will follow suit with a similar set-up. It certainly was a big improvement when the WIAA allowed seeding within the sectionals several years ago. You would think that it shouldn't be such a big deal to make this change if the coaches all push the WIAA for this. I believe having two teams with no losses and no ties at this years tournament is unprecedented. It would have been somewhat unfortunate to have SPASH and ECM play in a quarter final match-up, which could have happened with the rotating match-up system currently in place.

On another note...I know the desire for a consolation round at the state tourny has been discussed on boards like this many times in the past.....It's been my dream for this to become a reality at the WI state tournament for 18 years now a counting and I think I'll be waiting for at least another 18 years.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the number of teams reaches a certain point, I believe there will be a two tier/class system for the playoffs.
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It would have been somewhat unfortunate to have SPASH and ECM play in a quarter final match-up


Why?

"Hypotheticall Speaking" If ECM beat spash 1-0 in 2-OT, and looses in the championship game; The team that beat ECM in the championship would be better than spash, because they beat the team that beat SPASH. The championship team would be the best team in the state because again "Hypothetically Speaking" SPASH or ECM or any other of the teams in the state could not be considered the best team in the state cause they totally blew their chance in the entire post-season. Hypothetically speaking if SPASH lost, no way could anyone agrue that they are the best team in the state; IF they were the best team in the state why did they loose a game in the postseason?



(I hope people realize that I am not making predicitons, just saying something I have observed and made my opinion in the past three years in several different post-seasons in several sports)


I think I understand where your coming from....the best team will win in the end. But using your example above, if SPASH and ECM played 2OT and had a grueling game, the winner could be somewhat at a disadvantage from being physically/mentally worn out going into the next game. More so than what they could have been if they were playing a lesser team. I just think the system could be improved by matching the higher rated teams (based on prior game results/power rankings/coaches rankings) against the lower ranked teams. The higher ranked teams have earned the right to POTENTIALLY have an easier path to the finals....it can make a difference when playing 3 games in 3 days. In most years the system in place will work just fine, but I still think seeding would be an improvement.
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reseeding will also allow the top 2 teams to play at the end for the championship (in theory) so the 2nd best team could get the runner-up trophy instead of losing to the best team before that game. a good example of this was the boys basketball division 3 tourney last year. roncalli loses to st. catherine's by 5 in semifinal and goes home with nothing. westby loses by 39 to st. catherine's in the championship and gets the silver ball. roncalli probably was better than westby and shoulod have gotten 2nd place but got knocked out before the champioship game.
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I remember back to the 2004-2005 Hockey tournament.

it was:
Fondy vs Arrowhead
USM vs Janseville
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ECM vs WR
Antigo vs Superior

Rapids had only 1 loss that season, and was either #1 or #2 with Superior. in the state all season. Well, seeing as both teams won on Thursday night, they played eachother Friday night in a hard hitting offensive game. Superior won 6-3 with an EN goal late in the game. Well, the next day, they beat Arrowhead 2-1 in OT.

How that relates to this discussion is that if there was a seeding system, the two best teams, Rapids and Superior, would not have met until the finals, but because it wasn't that way, the best two teams that season met the night before, beat the crap out of eachother, and Superior ended up playing in the championship game against Arrowhead, who Rapids more than likely would have beat.

I personally like the way the tournament is done, with an alternating schedule between the sectionals. But maybe just for like 2 years, they should try seeding the whole thing, and maybe we will get the best 2 teams in the championship.
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and Superior ended up playing in the championship game against Arrowhead, who Rapids more than likely would have beat.

Here we go again... The championship was played Friday night and Arrowhead didn't deserve to be playing in the championship. []

There is absolutely no doubt Rapids had an excellent team in 2004-05 but Superior was beating you 4-0 midway through the second period. From what I say Ambro didn't have a very good game that night, but for all we know Superior gave there 1st and 2nd line a bit of rest early in the third so they were ready for Saturday.

http://www.wiaawi.org/hockeyboys/2005/game6.htm

And if I remember correctly Brett Olson had 3 goals against Antigo and 3 goals against Rapids and was 1 away from tying the state tournament record before the championship game. I don't believe he scored that game. Also, let's not forget that Arrowhead ran off 4 straight shut outs in the playoffs before giving up exactly 1 fluke short-handed goal in the state semifinals to Janesville and 1 goal in regulation to Superior in the championship on a deflected shot off a stick. Heck, the goal Superior got in OT was a deflection as well off a shin pad.

Arrowhead was on fire in goal and defensively that year so pardon me for no exaclty agreeing that Rapids 'more than likely' would have defeated them.
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Dont get me wrong. Arrowhead deserved to get there. I was just saying that if they played head to head, Rapids would have more than likely won. Its just speculation now, but that is my honest opinion.

I also remember that goal Arrowhead got on Superior. I remember that was a backanded clearing attempt by a Superior player that he didn't let go far enough to the side, and as he hit it back, it beat Buchs just on the inside of the post. So Superior scored that goal that game.
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