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lg11
I thought automatic doubles where its hit into the gap or down the line where its obvious that its going to be a double, and then the second baseman goes out for the cut and the first baseman follows to second base.
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wizzler
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I thought automatic doubles where its hit into the gap or down the line where its obvious that its going to be a double, and then the second baseman goes out for the cut and the first baseman follows to second base.

but why would that be automatic if he is getting covered at 2nd, he could still be thrown out.

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lg11
Its automatic because he can jog into second base, everyone knows that hes going to be at second. When someone hits a ball into the gap or down the line its just assumed a double.
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hoopdreamswi
Wizzler gets the +2!

An automatic double is something like a batted ball bouncing out of play. It could happen at any park.

A ground rule double is something very specific to the "ground rules" of a certain ballpark, like the ball hitting the speaker in the Metrodome, or getting lodged in the ivy at Wrigley.

Over the years the two terms have kind of merged into one and most people refer to all those situations as ground rule doubles.
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Longball, you are right. Bill Hall is a very good and versatile major league ball
player. I wish he was a Cardinal.

As for Kaijen, I have two daughters (Kaitie & Jenna).


Wanna' talk Cardinals??

I'm your guy.

Saw them play in the W/S in 1964!!

(yep, I'm old) []
I'm old too Road Kill. I can remember sitting around the kitchen table with my mom & dad in 1964 listening to Harry Carry singing "the Cardinals are coming tra la tra la. Bob Gibson was my idol growing up and my nickname to this
day is Gibby.

I was at one game in the Metrodome when Twins beat them in the series. That
place was so lowd you couldn't hear yourself think. Back then I was able to think
now and then. I think.[][]

My dad is 82, he is still pissed about the call in the all MO series against KC.

I don't even remember it, something to do with Dane Iorg and Whitey Herzog!!

In 64--Hall of Famers (and shoul bes);
Harry Carey
Jack Buck
Lou Brock
Bob Gibson
Curt Flood (ooops!!)
Ken Boyer
Bill White
Bob Uecker??
Tim McCarver
Ray Sadecki
Curt Simmons
Dick Groat
Mike Shannon (replaced Stan Musial & Harry Carey)



Whitey Ford
Mickey Mantle
Yogi Berra
Roger Maris
Bobby Richardson
Tom Tresh
Toney Kubek
Ralph Terry
Elston Howard
Clet Boyer (Ken's brother)
Joe Pepitone
Jim Bouton

I'll never forget my hero (Ken Boyer) hitting a Grand Slam off of Al Downing to give St. Louis a 4-3 come from behind victory!!

I was 12 years old.

What a time to be 12!!![][][][][]

God I love baseball!!

I love baseball too Roadkill. The play that your dad is po'ed about I can
remember (most of it) like it was yesterday. I think the Royals were down to their
last out with the tying run on third. A Royal (don't know who) hit a ground ball
to the right of our first baseman (Jack Clark?). He flips the ball to our closer (Todd Worrell?) who is clearly out by a step. Don Denkinger (I am sure of that
name) calls him safe. tying run scores and the Royals go on and win. The Cards
were up in the series at the time 3 games to 2. We had a chance to win the series in the 7th game but never got it done.

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lg11
Im not sure if this is the right timeframe and I dont feel like looking it up but did either one of you (Kaijen and road kill) watch Lou Brock play?
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kaijen
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Im not sure if this is the right timeframe and I dont feel like looking it up but did either one of you (Kaijen and road kill) watch Lou Brock play?
I saw him play maybe 10 times in person but many more on TV. Plus
I listened and still do to most of their games on the radio. He is always mentioned in one of the most lopsided trades in major league history. We got him for Ernie
Broglio in the mid 60's and he was a catalyst on our championship teams of 67 & 68. He also was a member of our bad teams of the 70's.

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hoopdreamswi
This topic was regarding whether a ball that bounces over the fence to end the game with a runner on third should be credited a single or a double. (The rules say it's a single, by the way).

I know this topic was dead long ago, but the exact situation we were discussing happened in the Twins/Royals game last night. Here's the description from the game story:

"Justin Morneau started the 10th with a single off Scott Dohmann (1-3). After David DeJesus made a sliding catch to steal a hit from Torii Hunter, Rondell White's single up the middle squirted out of the infield and Morneau raced to third. Jason Tyner was intentionally walked, and Bartlett's hit -- ruled a single -- sailed over the head of a drawn-in DeJesus and bounced over the fence."

I thought it was interesting, even if no one else does. Thanks for indulging me.
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longball12
It was ruled a single because that is the only base he advanced to. Had the runners kept going he would have been credited with the double forcing him in. However, once the ball cleared he stopped at first. As discussed previously he was only credited with the single because that is where he stopped.
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hoopdreamswi
Apparetnly, you missed the whole previous discussion. He is only credited with a single because the rules credit him "with only as many bases on his hit as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run." It doesn't matter if he would have run to second, third or left field, it's still a single. Here it is again:

10.07 (f) - (f) Subject to the provisions of 10.07 (g), when the batter ends a game with a safe hit which drives in as many runs as are necessary to put his team in the lead, he shall be credited with only as many bases on his hit as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run, and then only if the batter runs out his hit for as many bases as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run. NOTE: Apply this rule even when the batter is theoretically entitled to more bases because of being awarded an ?automatic? extra-base hit under various provisions of Playing Rules 6.09 and 7.05. (g) When the batter ends a game with a home run hit out of the playing field, he and any runners on base are entitled to score.
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