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spike64
FBThrowsCoach24 wrote:


Yeah.......I would hate to be playing in the state championship game 2 years in a row too...........

Playing? The 3rd and 4th stringers arn't playing! They're watching. They play in the state championship game just as much as you and I do sitting at home watching the game on FSN.
That's whats wrong with the attitude in Arrowhead. As long as the team is winning the families are happy. If these kids have that much talent they shouldn't be sitting on the bench for their junior and senior seasons. If they have the talent claimed here they would be starting at other schools, but instead they are content with sitting on the bench, maybe playing special teams and watching their team play.
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spike64
FBThrowsCoach24 wrote:


In a perfect world, you are correct but the sad reality is that teams are judged by wins and losses, not how much playing time they give each player and how much "fun" they have. I think winning is pretty darn fun.........

Good post Coach24. But even worse than kids being on a team just to sit and win a championship, is sport specialization. But that's a whole nother topic. If you'd like to discuss that, start up a new thread. I'll debate with everyone on that one.
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fbthrowscoach24
I wouldn't say thats whats "wrong" with Arrowhead families. Why do you play the game? To WIN! Arrowhead is successful year in and year out and have now created an expectation to get to the state championship game every year. If West, South,North, KM or any other school in the state had the success that Arrowhead has had these past 15 years the parents of those schools would have the same expectations as Arrowhead parents do. There's nothing "wrong" with expecting to be successful. If you look at Arrowheads numbers every year it certainly doesn't bother those 3rd and 4th stringers because they come out for football again every year. Any athlete that values playing time more than their team winning is pretty selfish. Maybe that's the problem with the bottom feeders in this conference (north, south, pius) too many selfish "me" type of players that just want playing time and not enough "team" guys.
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GameOver31_old
You play to learn and have fun! Your saying people that worry about playing time are selfish? No they wanna have fun and PLAY the game.
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fbthrowscoach24
In a perfect world, you are correct but the sad reality is that teams are judged by wins and losses, not how much playing time they give each player and how much "fun" they have. I think winning is pretty darn fun.........
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AHSLAX98_old
I just want to say that most of the 3-4th stringers on arrowhead are mostly juniors and some sophmores... most of the seniors are strting... and if not they are on ST or get subbed in a lot. Arowhead if you haven't noticed is constantly subbing in on the D-line and linebackers. Kids get their playing time. And the ones who don't get much except for scrap-up are kids who come into the season knowing they will not be playing much. What is wrong with kids who just want to be part of the team? I mean ya, maybe they could start at another school but why do it? If you already go to Arrowhead and like the school... what is wrong with playing on the team to simply be on it.
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182gus_old
When you look at how the Arrowhead coaching staff manages playing time, the perception that a bunch of third and fourth stringers who would play at other schools never see the field is way off base. Taraska and his coaches have typically used 40 -50 or more different kids in every game regardless of score. They usually rotate kids in the O-line, at WR, use multiple TE's and and have special goal line or short yardage packages on offense that involve different players. Last year they started 9 different O-linemen, used 3 TE's in every game and rotated 4 different WR's throughout the game. They also try to rotate 6 or 7 D-linemen, one or two extra LB's, goal line packages and pass defense packages in every game. Their special teams also include kids who aren't in the other packages including their kickers, punters and long snappers. If you're good enough to hold your own against the other team's starters, they'll find a way to get you on the field in a regular rotation.

Arrowhead also plays a full schedule of VR games where the 30 or so juniors and seniors who don't get a lot of playing time play in the varsity games play the entire game and the 10-15 sophs who don't start on the varsity will play JV games on Thursdays. When you add in the playing time the backups get when the games are out of hand, there are very few kids who just sit on the bench and watch the entire season. The game against Gary Wallace each year is a guaranteed win, but rather than using it as an opportunity to pad stats by playing their better players against weaker competition like other teams routinely do, Taraska uses it as an opportunity to get backups playing time early in the season. He does the same thing in conference games against the weaker teams.

Last year you might made a better argument that the starters are the ones getting shortchanged on playing time than describing their season as third and fourth stringers watching on the bench while the first string played for a championship. Their defensive starters never played a play against Pius, and the offensive starters only played 11 plays against West and were out of the game after one series in the second quarter in both of their first two playoff games against Bay View and Sun Prairie. How many non-starters on other C8 teams got two or three quarters of playing time in playoff games last year? I think its more likely that the second stringers on a team that routinely plays close games (KM, West, South) get less playing time than the third or fourth stringers at Arrowhead.
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ETBB24_old
Cody Condon from East Troy...they were a powerhouse this year going 8-0 and for the first time they will probably make it to state with myles olson and cody leading the show. Both were huge factors in eric's offense and should definetly get D1 scholarships to any school in the nation. Cody has over 100 yards passing for the year and 100 yards recieving...WHO DOES THAT!?! a monster...there last game against wilmot on wednesday will be the deciding factor in East Troy's rise to fame...they are no longer off the map!!! BURN THE SHIPPPP!!!. DO IT FOR GEORGE WASHINGTON
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GameOver31_old
ETBB24 wrote:


Cody Condon from East Troy...they were a powerhouse this year going 8-0 and for the first time they will probably make it to state with myles olson and cody leading the show. Both were huge factors in eric's offense and should definetly get D1 scholarships to any school in the nation. Cody has over 100 yards passing for the year and 100 yards recieving...WHO DOES THAT!?! a monster...there last game against wilmot on wednesday will be the deciding factor in East Troy's rise to fame...they are no longer off the map!!! BURN THE SHIPPPP!!!. DO IT FOR GEORGE WASHINGTON


Umm this is for the C8! and i think u mistyped something because i bet a bunch of people have 100 passing and 100 yards recieving this year. He will not recieve a D1 scholarship to any school. So go find which conference board he is in and brag about him there.
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swishinit432win_old
I agree Gus and great post. I have watched many C8 games over the years and have always said the same thing. The back ups at AHS play more than the back ups on any C8 team. So whats the argument? Most C8 teams have kids play both ways as well. No one at AHS does. Imagine how strong they could be if they did like similar size schools like SPASH and DC Everest.
They both do as I am guessing many other schools do. There is no need to do so and by not they get a lot of players in. Yes several could start else where but so what then move so your kid can play football. Some do and I guess if you have the potential stud maybe you think about it.
But just because you could start elsewhere doesn't mean the schemes or systems used there will make one get any more college looks. Especially when your team stinks.
The comment that thats whats wrong with AHS parents is stupid in my opinion and must come from a dad that is living his dream through his kids.
TEAM comes first at any level of competition as well as many aspects of everyday life.
I bet thats why C8 schools struggle. Kids don't go out because the team losses. Winning
is important. It may not be the most important thing a coach can teach but it has to be up there.
Why do kids go to North Carolina to play basketball when they could start elsewhere?
Something wrong with those parents?
Getting a reward for ones hard work keeps teams on top.
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spike64
swishinit432win wrote:


I agree Gus and great post. I have watched many C8 games over the years and have always said the same thing. The back ups at AHS play more than the back ups on any C8 team. So whats the argument? Most C8 teams have kids play both ways as well. No one at AHS does. Imagine how strong they could be if they did like similar size schools like SPASH and DC Everest.
They both do as I am guessing many other schools do. There is no need to do so and by not they get a lot of players in. Yes several could start else where but so what then move so your kid can play football. Some do and I guess if you have the potential stud maybe you think about it.
But just because you could start elsewhere doesn't mean the schemes or systems used there will make one get any more college looks. Especially when your team stinks.
The comment that thats whats wrong with AHS parents is stupid in my opinion and must come from a dad that is living his dream through his kids.
TEAM comes first at any level of competition as well as many aspects of everyday life.
I bet thats why C8 schools struggle. Kids don't go out because the team losses. Winning
is important. It may not be the most important thing a coach can teach but it has to be up there.
Why do kids go to North Carolina to play basketball when they could start elsewhere?
Something wrong with those parents?
Getting a reward for ones hard work keeps teams on top.

Well that's a silly statement. I made that comment. A year out of high school, and child free. Thanks.

The statement about parents was more along the lines of if parents would rather watch their kid play on the kickoff team,(maybe 2-3 plays a week) at Arrowhead and win, or watch him play at another school and play every play, but be on an average team.

I can understand both ways, parents love to see their kids happy. I can see how parents of kids who play strictly on special teams can be happy if the team wins. The TEAM first attitude. And if their kid is happy playing a lot more, but on a more average team then so be it. In 10 years 99.9% of the players who played high school ball in Wisconsin aren't going to be playing football anymore. As long as their content playing as much as they are, then the argument either way, is pretty much mute.

And as to the NC bball comment. If the kid is gonna have to sit the bench for 3, or 4 years and finally play his senior year, and has offers to go to smaller schools and play for 4 years I think its silly to sit the bench. Look at players like Stephen Curry, he plays at a smaller school and is a stud.
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swishinit432win_old
I'm not saying I don't agree. I know as a player I would want to play. Been there.
But I can see both ways and its strictly what the kid expectations are. Parents are irrelavent.
Its not about them, but rather the kids. Its a bummer for some that feel maybe they should play more but winning overrides some of that I guess. Sometimes kids are a victim of the boundarys
and where they simply have to go to school. All one can do is work hard and deal with reality.
Like you said very few make it anyway so playing a few extra minutes in a high school game doesn't matter that much. Being able to say you were a part of a championship team is something no one can take away and is something to be proud of regardless of how much field time.
The UNC point was strictly a reference but I see your point. But very few make it from small colleges. It happens but why do you suppose he is looked at as being so good? Could it be because his TEAM is WINNING and made it to the NCAA tourney where he got the exposure on TV. Proves the point a little in that winning gathers attention which in turn only helps in ones chances for future success. Not that AHS has pumped out a ton of D1 players, or pros but the winning reputation does get them some extra looks. Especially at state. Again, It can't be a ton of fun being a back up but you don't quit or leave. Work hard and be a part of a winner when maybe ones choices are limited. It can be a life lesson in adversity, making a person stronger too.
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EdwardthePhysical_old
So we all agree that Flemming is really good, but Butterfield is the POY of the C8? In order to be player of the year, you have to be first team. There is no way that Flemming will be first team over Butterfield. No disrespect to Flemming. He might be #2 in the conference, but he is probably top 5 in Southeastern WI.
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kmballer13_old
I agree with what you said Edward if it wasnt for this conference minus a couple of other conferences in the state, fleming would have easily been first team and possibly the POY for that conference. But with Butterfields stats and certain games he played exceptionally well in to help KM come away with a victory in and keep their playoff hopes alive, he will win the POY for offense.
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KO7_old
Butterfield and Balthazor
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