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I never said he isn't one of the best, I just don't think he is the best. I just think Barry Sanders and Herschel Walker were better.


Only because of what they did in their pro career.
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I never said he isn't one of the best, I just don't think he is the best. I just think Barry Sanders and Herschel Walker were better.


sanders, walker, and dayne would have to be my top 3 in no particular order....dayne because of everything that is listed above....walker because he was just an outstanding college runner and led his team to a national title his freshmen year...and sanders because well he only saw prolific action 1 year of college football, his junior season because he was behind thurman thomas, and in that 1 season he scored 39 touchdowns and had 2628 rushing yards, 3250 all purpose yards, exceeded 300 yards in six different games and over 200 in seven games


i dont have any particular order for these guys and imo it would be really hard to put them in order
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And to whoever said the NCAA didnt include Bowl Games.....starting with Daynes Freshman year they added Bowlgames to to career stats.


Actully, I'm pretty sure it was the year after Dayne left Wisconsin. I remember thinking how many more yards he would have had.



Yeah, that's why Adrian Peterson is the most prolific freshman runner in NCAA D-1 history despite having less total yards than Dayne, including bowl games...[]
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I will tell you exactly why Hill will never be on the same level as Dayne

Dayne, even though he did not have top end speed, ran with a low pad level, and with high knees. This made it extreamly difficult for a defender to try and take his legs out, and he also had much better running form when busting out of the hole.

Hill, as stout as he is, runs with his pads high, and he has very flat feet when cutting through the hole. He will never be able to avoid the leg tackles. Look for Michigan to go after his knees all game long, because he isnt physically able to deal with that kind of tackle.

Dont get me wrong, I love watching PJ run, I just think he is limited, but I do think he will be a good RB, I just dont think he will be a great one
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Some of you are getting carried away with this "lack of breakaway speed"

You're thinking of Dayne his junior and senior year... Compare Hill through his first two games to Dayne's first two (not yardage, but how they ran). PJ just LOOKS like he could become a Dayne proto-type.

You guys dont have to you panties all full of crap....


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Some of you are getting carried away with this "lack of breakaway speed"

You're thinking of Dayne his junior and senior year... Compare Hill through his first two games to Dayne's first two (not yardage, but how they ran). PJ just LOOKS like he could become a Dayne proto-type.

You guys dont have to you panties all full of crap....


Take your own advice.




My boxers aren't bunched up and full of crap. I'm not irritated, nor do I take PJ Hills quickness and "low running" personally.

I was just stating that Hill and Dayne look very similar in their young stages. And who's to say Hill won't learn to run pads down (like everyone is taught from 7th grade on)?

Good players change -- and I think Hill has the chance to be a good player.
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He has played nobody with a defense what so ever. Bowling Green and Western Illinois, are you kidding me. The only thing you can compare PJ to Mr. Dayne is there size. Let PJ acctually get into the Big Ten scheduale before we compare him to the greatest colliegete Running Back of all time


Dayne is not the greatest college running back of all time




I and the College record books beg to differ.
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He has played nobody with a defense what so ever. Bowling Green and Western Illinois, are you kidding me. The only thing you can compare PJ to Mr. Dayne is there size. Let PJ acctually get into the Big Ten scheduale before we compare him to the greatest colliegete Running Back of all time


Dayne is not the greatest college running back of all time




I and the College record books beg to differ.


Became the most-prolific freshman runner in college history despite not starting until the fifth game. Gained 1,863 yards during the regular season (the NCAA does not recognize bowl performances in season stats) to break Herschel Walker's freshman mark of 1,616 yards set in 1980 at Georgia.
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Here's a little more on that Ron Dayne guy who isn't one of College football's best running backs ever [] <-------- sarcasm indicator ............



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Established an NCAA Division 1-A regular season rushing record with 6,397 yards, breaking the previous mark of 6,279 yards by Ricky Williams of Texas (1995-98). Including bowl games, he became the first player in college history to rush for over 7,000 yards (7,125) in a career. Shattered previous Big Ten Conference record of 5,589 yards by Ohio State's Archie Griffin. Tied the NCAA all-time record held by Williams and Marcus Allen of Southern California with twelve 200-yard rushing performances. Also set Big Ten all-time records for most rushing attempts (1,220), points (426) and 71 touchdowns (both rushing and total). The Badgers compiled a 28-5 record in games he rushed for over 100 yards. Personally out-rushed the opposing team 29 times in his 43 career starts. Became the fifth player in college history to rush for over 1,000 yards in a season 4 times?As a senior in 1999, was a unanimous All-America and All-Big Ten Conference first-team selection. Won the Heisman Trophy, Doak Walker Award and the Maxwell Award as the nation's top college player. As sociated Press, Football News, The Sporting News and Walter Camp Foundation National Player of the Year. Became the first player in Big Ten history to lead the conference in rushing three times. Despite missing six quarters of action, he finished second in the nation in rushing with an average of 169.5 yards per game. Became the first player in Big Ten history to lead the conference in rushing, all-purpose yardage and scoring in the same season. Tied a conference season-record by earning four Player of the Week honors. Carried 337 times for 2,034 yards (6.0 avg.) and 20 touchdowns and scored 120 points in his final season. Averaged 170.3 all-purpose yards per game. Earned three straight postseason Most Valuable Player of the Game awards?As a junior in 1998, he was a Walter Camp Foundation All-America first-team pick, joining Dennis Lick (1974-75) as the only Badger to earn first-team national honors twice in a career. One of three finalists for the Doak Walker Award, given to the nation's top running back. Unanimous All-Big Ten Conference first-team pick. Out-rushed the opposing team in eight contests. Gained 1,525 yards with 15 touchdowns on 295 carries (5.2 avg.). Added 45 yards on six catches (7.5 avg.)?As a sophomore in 1997, was an All-America first-team choice by Football News. Consensus All-Big Ten Conference first-team pick. Despite season-long shoulder, knee, ankle and groin ailments (missed 12 quarters of action), he ranked fifth in the nation in rushing, averaging 142.0 yards per game. Led the team with 263 carries for 1,457 yards (5.5 avg.) and 15 touchdowns, a school season-record for sophomores?In 1996 was a Freshman All-America first-team pick by The Sporting News. As sociated Press All-America third-team choice. All-Big Ten Conference first-team selection. Shared Big Ten Newcomer of the Year honors with Ohio State's Andy Katzenmoyer. Joined a group of 10 other players in college football history to rush for more than 2,000 yards (bowl games included) in a season, gaining 2,109 yards (eighth-best in NCAA history) with a school-record 21 touchdowns. Became the most-prolific freshman runner in college history despite not starting until the fifth game. Gained 1,863 yards during the regular season (the NCAA does not recognize bowl performances in season stats) to break Herschel Walker's freshman mark of 1,616 yards set in 1980 at Georgia. Tied Walker's record of four 200-yard games by a freshman. Broke an NCAA mark for yards gained in consecutive games when he totaled 628 yards vs. Illinois (289) and Hawaii (339), breaking the old mark of 626 yards set by Cal State Fullerton's Mike Pringle in 1989. His game average of 155.3 (not counting the bowl) is second in NCAA freshman history, just behind Marshall Faulk's mark of 155.8 set in 1991 at San Diego State. Set national freshman records for carries in a game (50 vs. Minnesota) and season (295). The old records were 45 carries in a game by James McDougal (Wake Forest, 1976) and 292 in a season by Steve Bartalo (Colorado State, 1983). Averaged 162.2 yards per game, breaking the Wisconsin record (136.4 by Big Ten MVP Brent Moss in 1993) by more than 25 yards. Averaged 195.8 yards per game as a starter. Broke the Big Ten rushing record with 2,109-yard campaign. Bettered the old mark of 2,066 yards, set by Michigan State's Lorenzo White in 1985. Became just the fourth Badger in the modern era to lead the conference in rushing (joining Moss, 1993; Billy Marek, 1974; and Alan Ameche, 1951-52).
                                                       

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I never said he isn't one of the best, I just don't think he is the best. I just think Barry Sanders and Herschel Walker were better.
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And to whoever said the NCAA didnt include Bowl Games.....starting with Daynes Freshman year they added Bowlgames to to career stats.
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I never said he isn't one of the best, I just don't think he is the best. I just think Barry Sanders and Herschel Walker were better.


Only because of what they did in their pro career.


I can understand why you would say taht for Sanders, but he had the best season ever in college football, and if he were to have played all 4 years, Dayne would not have been close to touching him. Walker on the other hand, when I think of his pro career, its all could have been. I just think injury. He was the most dominant play to step on the field that I have ever seen. Dayne just did not have that little extra that I saw with Walker.

My opinion has nothing to do with how they preformed in the NFL
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Ah man is he looking good, look at that huge touchdown run, 3rd straight game with 100 yards rushing.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables?stat=rush&sort=rushyds&season=2&year=2006&group=80

PJ Hill is 7th in the nation in rushing yards

His 5 TD's are also tied for 7th best in the nation
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