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levelm
Squid 44th wrote:
  the refs today are weak, one little thing and they are offended.  They need to have thicker skin.  People yell at games you have to expect that.


Good evidence why fewer people are choosing to be officials.  Won't need the virus to cancel games, there won't be anyone to officiate them.
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whistleblower1
Squid 44th wrote:
People yell at games you have to expect that.


Expect it? Yes. Put up with it? Definitely not.

Do you allow people to come into your work place and scream at you?
Without officials, it would just be recess!
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George Stacy


Expect it? Yes. Put up with it? Definitely not.

Do you allow people to come into your work place and scream at you?


if i was a ref i would. otherwise choose a different hobby if this hobby it too hard for you. 
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db11


if i was a ref i would. otherwise choose a different hobby if this hobby it too hard for you. 


Why do people think it's OK to dehumanize officials and treat them as such?

I don't wanna hear about this "part of the game" crap. No, it isn't. We've gone far beyond the occasional jab for a perceived missed call to outright verbal abuse and threats in a lot of cases.

This has really trickled down in society from how the media and fans view pro officials into them conflating equivalence with guys who are essentially volunteering their time for a pittance. It's ludicrous.
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blade12
Squid 44th wrote:
What I've noticed is that if you piss off a ref, there is no way to win.  Last night, of course after the ref was pissed off, he was calling every minute infraction for the offending team.  Then they missed a blatant hold (slap on the arm) penalty for the offending team and all hell broke loose with a "you didn't see that" to the ref standing 10 ft away.  Heck I saw and heard it from 75 ft. away and player got a technical for questioning the ref like that.  the refs today are weak, one little thing and they are offended.  They need to have thicker skin.  People yell at games you have to expect that.


The refs need thicker skin but the grown ups in the stands who get bent out of shape over 1 or a few calls they don't agree with, yeah they are just fine. 

Do me a favor, the next time a kid on the team you are rooting for misses a layup, has a bad or dumb TO, loses his man and gives up easy points stand up and yell at them. Yell at the kid. Tell him/her they are no good, missing a good game, or need to do better. Lay into the kid just like you would the ref.  

Suggestion #2 - put on the stripes and do it yourself.
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George Stacy
db11 wrote:


Why do people think it's OK to dehumanize officials and treat them as such?

I don't wanna hear about this "part of the game" crap. No, it isn't. We've gone far beyond the occasional jab for a perceived missed call to outright verbal abuse and threats in a lot of cases.

This has really trickled down in society from how the media and fans view pro officials into them conflating equivalence with guys who are essentially volunteering their time for a pittance. It's ludicrous.


as a ref you always have the option to warn the unruly individual(s). and if they do not shape up, ship them out. That is their prerogative.
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blade12


as a ref you always have the option to warn the unruly individual(s). and if they do not shape up, ship them out. That is their prerogative.


The WIAA makes a statement about sportsmanship before the start of EVERY game. That is your warning.  
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as a ref you always have the option to warn the unruly individual(s). and if they do not shape up, ship them out. That is their prerogative.

In high school sports, the people not directly involved in the game are not the responsibility of the officials. That is up to the school and their game management. That is where the problem lies, however. There are some times that officials will stop the game and direct game management to remove someone, but it shouldn't come to that. It's not part of their job. 
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George Stacy
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In high school sports, the people not directly involved in the game are not the responsibility of the officials. That is up to the school and their game management. That is where the problem lies, however. There are some times that officials will stop the game and direct game management to remove someone, but it shouldn't come to that. It's not part of their job. [/QUOT

i have never seen anyone removed from a game other than by a ref. and that has only happened one time.
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levelm

i have never seen anyone removed from a game other than by a ref. and that has only happened one time.


An official has no authority over fans, like Travis said, only people involved with the game - players, coaches, table personnel, etc.  If a fan is causing a disturbance that is impacting the game or the officials' ability to manage the game, the only option they have is to suspend the game until the problem is dealt with by game management.  Officials dealing with fans is not a good idea - it will eventually lead to confrontation or escalation or inciting other fans.

Of course in youth sports, AAU, etc. game management is not always assigned or available.  In that case I am stopping the game and letting the coach deal with it.  My $50 paycheck does not cover dealing with ignorant, belligerent, no-self control "fans."
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db11
levelm wrote:


An official has no authority over fans, like Travis said, only people involved with the game - players, coaches, table personnel, etc.  If a fan is causing a disturbance that is impacting the game or the officials' ability to manage the game, the only option they have is to suspend the game until the problem is dealt with by game management.  Officials dealing with fans is not a good idea - it will eventually lead to confrontation or escalation or inciting other fans.

Of course in youth sports, AAU, etc. game management is not always assigned or available.  In that case I am stopping the game and letting the coach deal with it.  My $50 paycheck does not cover dealing with ignorant, belligerent, no-self control "fans."


Saw this very thing happen at the Milwaukee Carmen/Brown Deer regional semifinal.
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oldballcoach1
levelm wrote:


An official has no authority over fans, like Travis said, only people involved with the game - players, coaches, table personnel, etc.  If a fan is causing a disturbance that is impacting the game or the officials' ability to manage the game, the only option they have is to suspend the game until the problem is dealt with by game management.  Officials dealing with fans is not a good idea - it will eventually lead to confrontation or escalation or inciting other fans.

Of course in youth sports, AAU, etc. game management is not always assigned or available.  In that case I am stopping the game and letting the coach deal with it.  My $50 paycheck does not cover dealing with ignorant, belligerent, no-self control "fans."


I tell officials that if they have an issue, to let me know and I have no problem dealing with it.  When games are loud and crowds are large, game management can't be everywhere.  I have had officials, mostly during timeouts, come by and point someone out.  Most of the time, the person they are pointing out sees us talking and that usually brings it to an end.  

More of an issue is at the youth/AAU level.  I think you are right to stop the game and have the coach deal with it.  If they don't, then the game is over.  I have sat through to many AAU games with officials having to take it and tournament directors turn away instead of taking control.  
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