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For those who haven't seen it:  https://www.wiaawi.org/Portals/0/PDF/News%20Releases/2018-19/fbconferences_final.pdf

East:
Messwood
Greenfield
South Milwaukee
Greendale
Whitnall
Wisco
Grafton
Cudahy

West:
Tosa East
Tosa West 
Pewaukee
New Berlin Eisenhower
Pius XI
Milwaukee Lutheran
New Berlin West
Catholic Memorial

Commentary to follow, and hopefully some of the usual Woodland-Board discussion.
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sonsofdonbosco
A few thoughts here:

1. The West is Best. CMH joins in 2020. That plus Ike and Pewaukee, a rising NB West, the return of Tosa West, and the best team from the former East (Milwaukee Lutheran) makes this one of the best D3 conferences in the state. Pius and Tosa East have a tough road ahead with this group, although maybe the natural rivalries here at least give them a little excitement to build around. 

2. Memorial and Mortality.  That said, this group isn't exactly the Classic 8 and despite the appearance of immortality, Bill Young will retire at some point. How long before Memorial falls back to the pack? You have to believe that at some point they'll no longer be a "top 5 in any division" team and just become a good D3 team. 

3. Geographic Balance. I'm glad to see that someone in the Woodland finally figured out that Greendale is located east of Whitnall. It only took them ten years to work that one out. Panther alumni and fans are probably even happier, because that gives us... 

4. Greendale and the Seven Dwarves. Okay, maybe it's not quite that bad-- this East alignment certainly gives Wisco the opportunity to rebuild some of their mojo-- but it's entirely possible that the Panthers see very little competition outside of the crossovers. I hate saying this as a guy who would love to see the likes of Cudahy and SM rebound, but at some point one has to be realistic.

5. Who rises up? As noted above, I feel bad for Pius and Tosa East because this setup really hurts their chances of rebuilding anytime soon. If the two-year review cycle is really a thing, though, they could conceivably follow a couple down years in the West with a splash if/when they land back in the East. And will anyone in this East seize the day and push Greendale, or will they run the table and see just about everybody else clock in at 4-3 and 3-4?

Food for thought.
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db11
I could probably go on a rant about Young, CMH and the "woe is us, we only have 600 kids and we're in the C8" mentality, but I'll spare everyone...lol.

As much as I like concept of the plan as a whole...the reality is this probably kills any real chance of sustainable HS football success in West Allis for awhile...if not permanently.

Grafton, I mean I get the desire to get out of the shadow of Homestead, but that's kind of a school back on the rise athletically. I'm not sure they need to be here whereas Nicolet really does, yet they're not.
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db11 wrote:
I could probably go on a rant about Young, CMH and the "woe is us, we only have 600 kids and we're in the C8" mentality, but I'll spare everyone...lol.
That would be fun to read. Personally, I don't understand why their enrollment isn't higher. Don't tell me it's tuition. They're a quick commute from half of the state's most prosperous communities.


db11 wrote:
As much as I like concept of the plan as a whole...the reality is this probably kills any real chance of sustainable HS football success in West Allis for awhile...if not permanently.
I get it and that disappoints me too on some level. I still believe you can have success in these schools if you get some continuity and kids to buy in but that's easier said than done... especially when kids don't see the team winning. It's a vicious cycle.


db11 wrote:
Grafton, I mean I get the desire to get out of the shadow of Homestead, but that's kind of a school back on the rise athletically. I'm not sure they need to be here whereas Nicolet really does, yet they're not.
Nicolet would work better geographically with the rest of this group as well, whereas Grafton's a lot closer to the former WLT schools now making up half the "new-look" North Shore. It's obvious this was based mostly on enrollment but some of those decisions do look a little weird. 
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That would be fun to read. Personally, I don't understand why their enrollment isn't higher. Don't tell me it's tuition. They're a quick commute from half of the state's most prosperous communities.


There are few, if any schools that "profile higher" than their enrollment than CMH. Them needing "relief" in any major sport is laughable. InPro money drying up? They capping enrollment soon? The mentality is so unlike what I'd expect from that crew out there. IDK, maybe they're playing some long game no one else sees?

I get it and that disappoints me too on some level. I still believe you can have success in these schools if you get some continuity and kids to buy in but that's easier said than done... especially when kids don't see the team winning. It's a vicious cycle.


There are people who are trying, but everything is so fractured in this community, it's hard to build much momentum. Some of the fringe/niche sports are finding stabilization even down to youth levels, but football seems to be withering away. Sign of the times? West Allis is weird, in that even where SM or Cudahy still have some legacy athletic names hanging around and trying to save the ship, those from West Allis have mostly left town or disappeared from the athletic scene (look no farther than the coaching staffs of some of the more successful football programs in the area for just a small taste of the Stallis diaspora).

Nicolet would work better geographically with the rest of this group as well, whereas Grafton's a lot closer to the former WLT schools now making up half the "new-look" North Shore. It's obvious this was based mostly on enrollment but some of those decisions do look a little weird.


For as much as the plan was about scheduling relief and bringing some uniformity to everyone's playoff resumes...there certainly still seems to have been some "help us" palm-greasing going on out there...lol. Two of them mentioned in these posts alone.😎
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db11 wrote:
There are few, if any schools that "profile higher" than their enrollment than CMH. Them needing "relief" in any major sport is laughable. InPro money drying up? They capping enrollment soon? The mentality is so unlike what I'd expect from that crew out there. IDK, maybe they're playing some long game no one else sees?
Long-term planning is extremely important in private schools-- which must operate far more like a business than public schools do-- but I'm not sure how football plays into that at Memorial. I wonder if they are scared that they won't be able to sustain success "playing up" at some point in the near future. Back in the early 2000's, they were good but not great in the C8. There was even a year (2003?) where they lost a non-con to a pretty good Thomas More unit. Then at some point they transformed back into the powerhouse they'd become in the waning days of the WISAA.

If there's one thing continued realignment has shown us, it's a reasonable certainty that it'll only take a couple years of playing in this conference before they lose that C8 playoff edge they've had against the likes of Ike and Pewaukee. Those guys will catch up to Memorial a lot faster if they're playing them every year. If it's true that they wanted this alignment, that's what puzzles me the most. I'd think they would want to keep playing the big boys, even if it means a conference loss here and there to the likes of Muskego, because it helps them win state titles down the road. Weird.
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db11 wrote:
There are people who are trying, but everything is so fractured in this community, it's hard to build much momentum. Some of the fringe/niche sports are finding stabilization even down to youth levels, but football seems to be withering away. Sign of the times? West Allis is weird, in that even where SM or Cudahy still have some legacy athletic names hanging around and trying to save the ship, those from West Allis have mostly left town or disappeared from the athletic scene (look no farther than the coaching staffs of some of the more successful football programs in the area for just a small taste of the Stallis diaspora).
That Stallis diaspora (or more specifically the WAC side of it) looks really good right now, doesn't it? It was definitely weird watching Muskego take it to Marquette and Kimberly running the exact same stuff we had in our scouting reports on Central literally thirty years ago. 
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That Stallis diaspora (or more specifically the WAC side of it) looks really good right now, doesn't it? It was definitely weird watching Muskego take it to Marquette and Kimberly running the exact same stuff we had in our scouting reports on Central literally thirty years ago. 


And the defensive coordinator is an 2009 WAC grad and former teammate of my brother's who used to come over to our house and break down the film my dad took of the game...lol.

There is an opening at the alma mater...I doubt any of that diaspora is interested in it though, especially with the barest cupboard I've ever seen left. Thankfully the return to the GMC doesn't begin until 2020, though a season opener against a certain defending state champ will be here before you know it...
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amped0808
Here is what I see:

The "Winners" in this Woodland Configuration: Greendale, Wisco, Grafton, Catholic Memorial.

The "Not-So-Lucky": Pius, Milwaukee Lutheran, Cudahy.

The West is still going to rule the league despite I think a boost in competition in the East with Wisco, Grafton, and Greendale moving in. However, Pius should've been put in the East considering their recent stretch of results on the field as of late. This realignment only cements them in the basement of the division. Same also goes for Milwaukee Lutheran which has a good stretch in the East but now will have to struggle to find wins in the West. I feel that Cudahy will be struggling to find itself considering their only best chance for a win now will be against Messwood in conference.

Still think that Both West Allis schools should've been pushing to put in the league. The last two years have been utterly dreadful for Hale with them being barely competitive (outside of Tosa East) in the league. WAC looks like is on the way to being in the same position as Hale.

I am going to agree that CHM mentality as of late is something that really trying to make something out of nothing (unless they all of a sudden crater in the next few years). Pius would've loved to have the success that they are having.

Grafton would've been fine in either league (North Shore or Woodland) but Nicolet should've been moved into the Woodland. When you have the longest area playoff drought and have been struggling to move upward in league that has been seeing a general downward trend, it may be time for a move to jumpstart the program.
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amped0808 wrote:
Here is what I see:

The "Winners" in this Woodland Configuration: Greendale, Wisco, Grafton, Catholic Memorial.

The "Not-So-Lucky": Pius, Milwaukee Lutheran, Cudahy.

The West is still going to rule the league despite I think a boost in competition in the East with Wisco, Grafton, and Greendale moving in. However, Pius should've been put in the East considering their recent stretch of results on the field as of late. This realignment only cements them in the basement of the division. Same also goes for Milwaukee Lutheran which has a good stretch in the East but now will have to struggle to find wins in the West. I feel that Cudahy will be struggling to find itself considering their only best chance for a win now will be against Messwood in conference.

Still think that Both West Allis schools should've been pushing to put in the league. The last two years have been utterly dreadful for Hale with them being barely competitive (outside of Tosa East) in the league. WAC looks like is on the way to being in the same position as Hale.

I am going to agree that CHM mentality as of late is something that really trying to make something out of nothing (unless they all of a sudden crater in the next few years). Pius would've loved to have the success that they are having.

Grafton would've been fine in either league (North Shore or Woodland) but Nicolet should've been moved into the Woodland. When you have the longest area playoff drought and have been struggling to move upward in league that has been seeing a general downward trend, it may be time for a move to jumpstart the program.


I think the 2-year reassessment for the two Woodlands will see quite a few change requests.
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amped0808 wrote:
Still think that Both West Allis schools should've been pushing to put in the league. The last two years have been utterly dreadful for Hale with them being barely competitive (outside of Tosa East) in the league. WAC looks like is on the way to being in the same position as Hale.
Totally agree. Somebody has to round out the GMC though and when the Tosa schools got the Woodland, it sure looks like West Allis got stuck with the short straw. As stated numerous times before, they have a lot more in common with Greenfield and South Milwaukee than they do with anyone in the Greater Metro. 

amped0808 wrote:
I feel that Cudahy will be struggling to find itself considering their only best chance for a win now will be against Messwood in conference.
Cudahy is kind of a unique case in this area, and not in a good way. The numbers say they're too big for the Metro Classic but enrollment/participation has shrunk to the point where they're really too small for the Woodland. It might be a blow to their pride, but I would love to see them "drop" to the Metro Classic with St. Francis and Brown Deer. Even that wouldn't be easy, but it might be their best chance to rebuild their program against schools fielding similar team sizes.
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Totally agree. Somebody has to round out the GMC though and when the Tosa schools got the Woodland, it sure looks like West Allis got stuck with the short straw. As stated numerous times before, they have a lot more in common with Greenfield and South Milwaukee than they do with anyone in the Greater Metro. 

Cudahy is kind of a unique case in this area, and not in a good way. The numbers say they're too big for the Metro Classic but enrollment/participation has shrunk to the point where they're really too small for the Woodland. It might be a blow to their pride, but I would love to see them "drop" to the Metro Classic with St. Francis and Brown Deer. Even that wouldn't be easy, but it might be their best chance to rebuild their program against schools fielding similar team sizes.


To say nothing of the Tosas having a bit more in common with Brookfield....certainly more than Stallis does anyway.

Also, as I understand it, WAC's enrollment is due for another big drop (sub-1100...we had 1600+ in '03-'04)...so much so that they are in D2 for basketball next year, though Mlachnik and Co. have (wisely) opted to play up from what I hear.

It's gonna be funny to see everyone's plan for themselves (your appeal for movement won't be heard unless you provide solutions) come 2022...how many will simply be "swap us with Catholic Memorial?"
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While we’re on the topic of the whole realignment for 2020 and the SE part of the state. Realistically speaking the SEC and SLC could use a reshuffle and or Franklin moving to the C8 and Lake Geneva Badger taking their place. Or if we’re going based on enrollment alone and i’ve mentioned this before. Racine Park’s declining enrollment coupled with a lack of success in football might be a sign that they need a change of scenery to rebuild. Yea you’d lose rivalries and such but if enrollment is going to continue to decline they won’t be able to sustain in the SEC and a move to the SLC might be on the cards. To keep things even you’d most likely swap Badger but then it’s a matter of travel distance.
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While we’re on the topic of the whole realignment for 2020 and the SE part of the state. Realistically speaking the SEC and SLC could use a reshuffle and or Franklin moving to the C8 and Lake Geneva Badger taking their place. Or if we’re going based on enrollment alone and i’ve mentioned this before. Racine Park’s declining enrollment coupled with a lack of success in football might be a sign that they need a change of scenery to rebuild. Yea you’d lose rivalries and such but if enrollment is going to continue to decline they won’t be able to sustain in the SEC and a move to the SLC might be on the cards. To keep things even you’d most likely swap Badger but then it’s a matter of travel distance.


If they were 7-team leagues they'd make for great "sister" leagues for crossovers.

The problem is each conference's "issues" aren't really compatible. Wild guess, D-D will continue to seek to get out of SLC for alignment as the big fish in the RVC. I haven't really heard much in the way of complaining for any other SLC school. Unfortunately for Park to hypothetically switch leagues, they'd need someone switching into the SEC. I don't see Waterford or Badger or Burlington (oh, how times have changed) doing that even if they realistically would have success. The SLC as it stands is in a pretty good situation for all of the schools.

I think D-D will be hard pressed to get out of the SLC simply because there's no ready-made swap available (can't see East Troy going for it) and then you'd have to find some three-to-four-way swap. Coming up with a plan is one thing, getting several others on board more often-than-not will be a bridge too far for a lot of schools seeking relief in SE WI.

And to be truthful, the way the SEC has trended it might still be the best place for Park to achieve some level of success again. Franklin and OC are married to the Racines and Kenoshas because of geographic and size constraints and aren't going anywhere. They will remain ahead of the rest of the league as far as consistency goes. There's been a lot of yo-yo-ing with the rest of the league though. If Park finds a little footing getting back to at least the level Case is at shouldn't be too tough. Just needs some continuity on staff coupled with buy-in from the athletes. The current coach seems to fit that profile, but how long will he be given? I suspect with visible improvement he'll be given enough time. Heck, they let Thompson live off Clay's legacy for about five years too long...lol.

Of course it would also help to get some of that talent back from St. Cat's and Lutheran too...😏
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Unfortunately Franklin and Oak Creek are basically tied to the Racine and Kenosha Schools unless we have the Southeast and Southern Lakes as two seven team leagues with crossovers between them. Otherwise there isn't really many options to move schools in that area.
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