blade12
Just to give us something to talk about this winter I guess.

https://www.wissports.net/news_article/show/1072247
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swimbikeron
A different premise:

"The group indicates a statistical analysis by an analytics company showed that the more affluent a school district is and the lower the free and reduced lunch rate is, the better chance for athletic success in regular season and postseason play."
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kenny78
You can use statistics to show any type of correlation you want, just like they do with the alleged causes of climate change. I just find this all unbelievable. In 15 years of reading about the alleged private school advantages I still have not seen one solid fact that points to a competitive advantage based on anything except great coaching and certain classes of athletes at a particular school actually deciding to work hard at their sport in the off-season.  The arguments about geographic location and proximity to population centers seem to conveniently ignore the situations where the boys team is good but not the girls, or visa versa. Or why this "athletic prowess" only seems to manifest itself in football or basketball, but not both. Or why only one private school in an area is good but not others. The quote above that correlates lower numbers of free and reduced lunches with athletic success is laughable at best. and it reminds me of the complaining that private schools succeed because their parents tend to be more involved, as if that is some kind of unfair advantage and it appears to be too much to expect that parents are involved with their children's education. The whole letter smacks of a conclusion that was selected and then the documentation was created to back up the conclusion. I am so glad I no longer coach or live in Wisconsin.
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db11
It ain't how it used to be. That phrase covers a lot of angles in this argument, but I've been around the block enough now to be incredibly aware that some places just don't have it like others do anymore.

Now what's the fix? Probably not this...and that's the biggest issue no one can pin down, a set of things to adjudicate by. We probably never will. But to DENY is just myopic.
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blade12
Not sure how this will play into this proposal. Is there enough availability at the KC or Resch to allow for these additional games? They play 15 total games now. They'd have to play 25 if they go to 6 teams. Probably have to add Wed or Sun game to make this fit.

 
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It's interesting to note the petition also calls for creating a six-team state tournament qualifying field in boys and girls hoops. Not really related to or having to do with Competitive Equity, but I think it could be an attempt to get the big schools on board.
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blade12
Not a fan of any success factor. I see no reason to penalize kids in the class of 2024 for what was accomplished by the class of 2021.

When it comes to bball, I would much rather see the OE, transfers and recruitment issues be addressed.  It's nuts what is going on and it's no secret what's going on unless you hide your head in the sand. 
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hirschey76
Proposal would only add 2 teams to Division 1 boys and girls basketball, thus needing 2 more games, not 10
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blade12
hirschey76 wrote:
Proposal would only add 2 teams to Division 1 boys and girls basketball, thus needing 2 more games, not 10


Why just D1? Except to get them on board to support the proposal.   The best boys teams have been in D2 in recent years, let's see more of that.

Not a fan of loading "extras" into proposals in an attempt to get them passed when they wouldn't stand a chance on their own merits.
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db11
My general opinion is that a State Tournament should be quarterfinals thru finals otherwise it's not what it should be. As far as TV goes...streaming is available and uber-accessible. Time to get with the times. Four divisions. Eight teams. Wiser cutlines.

blade12 wrote:
Not a fan of any success factor. I see no reason to penalize kids in the class of 2024 for what was accomplished by the class of 2021.

When it comes to bball, I would much rather see the OE, transfers and recruitment issues be addressed.  It's nuts what is going on and it's no secret what's going on unless you hide your head in the sand. 


Any transfer is not eligible for post-season play for one full academic year. Wanna play with your new school in all the premier games in the regular season? Great, go nuts. But you're not usurping a state championship from a more organically-developed program because your AAU program director wants to put it on his resume, or your parents' ego has gone unchecked.

And let's face it, all of this is ultimately about the ability to win a gold ball.

In out-state Wisconsin there's still a nostalgia about the small-town team capturing the hearts of its town, getting a police escort out of town, going to Madison and coming home to a parade down main street. In other parts, that is now a long-deserted concept, with district boundaries essentially meaningless and Grassroots programs masquerading as HS teams (The Runnin' Rebels with Destiny in 2017 or Phenom U at Nicolet last year).

You have these two concepts of what HS athletics should be butting heads, and nobody can figure out how to resolve it. So pinpoint what the real crux of the issue is (it's underlined and italicized above), and focus on that. The WIAA can control their tournament series. Sitting out one academic year of post-season play only following a transfer seems like a path of least resistance that at the very least would give certain entities pause about what they're doing (think about a current situation in SW Wisconsin).
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db11 wrote:
My general opinion is that a State Tournament should be quarterfinals thru finals otherwise it's not what it should be. As far as TV goes...streaming is available and uber-accessible. Time to get with the times. Four divisions. Eight teams. Wiser cutlines.

db11 wrote:


Any transfer is not eligible for post-season play for one full academic year. Wanna play with your new school in all the premier games in the regular season? Great, go nuts. But you're not usurping a state championship from a more organically-developed program because your AAU program director wants to put it on his resume, or your parents' ego has gone unchecked.

And let's face it, all of this is ultimately about the ability to win a gold ball.

In out-state Wisconsin there's still a nostalgia about the small-town team capturing the hearts of its town, getting a police escort out of town, going to Madison and coming home to a parade down main street. In other parts, that is now a long-deserted concept, with district boundaries essentially meaningless and Grassroots programs masquerading as HS teams (The Runnin' Rebels with Destiny in 2017 or Phenom U at Nicolet last year).

You have these two concepts of what HS athletics should be butting heads, and nobody can figure out how to resolve it. So pinpoint what the real crux of the issue is (it's underlined and italicized above), and focus on that. The WIAA can control their tournament series. Sitting out one academic year of post-season play only following a transfer seems like a path of least resistance that at the very least would give certain entities pause about what they're doing (think about a current situation in SW Wisconsin).


I could get on board with that.  I would go a couple of steps farther and add that kids who enroll at multiple schools need a release from each school they register at to be eligible and any kids that participate in any summer contact with a school need the same release.  Too many kids and families using a coach and school to get what they want (lots of open gyms, better quality coaching, more tournaments, etc.) all summer only to bail on them to to accept an offer from another coach as school approaches.
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