blade12
Did we not have a thread started for this topic? If we did I apologize for duplicating.

More news out today.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22553502/fbi-probe-corruption-reveals-basketball-powers-broken-ncaa-rules

Among the schools and names being mentioned:

Duke
Kentucky
Mich State

Miles Bridges MSU **EDIT** His mother is being named   https://www.landof10.com/big-ten/ncaa-basketball-corruption-case-michigan-state-miles-bridges-maryland-penn-state

Diamond Stone MD
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kenny78
This whole story is such a joke already. Those 3 schools are mentioned not because they may have done anything wrong, but because players who now attend those schools apparently met with this agent prior to attending the respective schools and those meetings were unknown to the schools. So if the schools were not involved in the alleged illegal behavior, why should they now be punished because the player ultimately chose to attend their school? I have no problem with penalties for the players but I don't think it rises to forfeits or any of that nonsense for the schools. How could any school possibly know if a recruit met with an agent? Right now this looks like nothing more than throwing out the names of big-time programs in an attempt to garner interest in the story.
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blade12
kenny78 wrote:
This whole story is such a joke already. Those 3 schools are mentioned not because they may have done anything wrong, but because players who now attend those schools apparently met with this agent prior to attending the respective schools and those meetings were unknown to the schools. So if the schools were not involved in the alleged illegal behavior, why should they now be punished because the player ultimately chose to attend their school? I have no problem with penalties for the players but I don't think it rises to forfeits or any of that nonsense for the schools. How could any school possibly know if a recruit met with an agent? Right now this looks like nothing more than throwing out the names of big-time programs in an attempt to garner interest in the story.


There is a history of the NCAA voiding W's for similar use of "ineligible" players. Not that I think voiding W's years later is all that much of a punishment and seldom does it lead to any real changes, firings or other penalties. It probably goes to the vague statement of "institutional control." Should the school have known or suspected some players were getting paid? Probably. Is it within their control? Who knows.

Some of this will depend upon what gets tied to, comes out of, and becomes of those with direct ties to the schools like the asst coaches named last fall. That is a much more narrow group of schools but with much more direct involvement. That does include some big names - Louisville, Arizona, Ok State and Auburn.   
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thecrackerjack
kenny78 wrote:
This whole story is such a joke already. Those 3 schools are mentioned not because they may have done anything wrong, but because players who now attend those schools apparently met with this agent prior to attending the respective schools and those meetings were unknown to the schools. So if the schools were not involved in the alleged illegal behavior, why should they now be punished because the player ultimately chose to attend their school? I have no problem with penalties for the players but I don't think it rises to forfeits or any of that nonsense for the schools. How could any school possibly know if a recruit met with an agent? Right now this looks like nothing more than throwing out the names of big-time programs in an attempt to garner interest in the story.


Do you really think that is all that was going on? This is another chapter in the "seedy underbelly" of college hoops. 
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kenny78
thecrackerjack wrote:


Do you really think that is all that was going on? This is another chapter in the "seedy underbelly" of college hoops. 



For Duke and MSU I absolutely believe that. I do not believe that Izzo or Coach K are sleazy people, nor do I think they will tolerate questionable behavior.
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dawgstyle
You do not believe Izzo is a sleazy person...

Apparently you have no issue with a guy who helps cover up sexual assault...

But let me guess, he couldn't possibly know that was going on...

Quick someone tell me I don't like Izzo because he kicks the Michigan basketball program around all the time.  LOL
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dawgstyle
He would never tolerate questionable behavior...

http://lansingcitypulse.com/article-15798-Izzo-fully-informed.html
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traviswilson
The whispers around Brandon Dawson's commitment to MSU were pretty audible. 
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kenny78
dawgstyle wrote:
He would never tolerate questionable behavior...

http://lansingcitypulse.com/article-15798-Izzo-fully-informed.html


First time I have seen this. If true, I would have to change my mind about him.
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kenny78
dawgstyle wrote:
You do not believe Izzo is a sleazy person...

Apparently you have no issue with a guy who helps cover up sexual assault...

But let me guess, he couldn't possibly know that was going on...

Quick someone tell me I don't like Izzo because he kicks the Michigan basketball program around all the time.  LOL


You know, your response is a perfect illustration why people like you tend to irritate people. I have a 2-1/2 year old grandson who acts more mature.
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safetysqueezepleezzee11
kenny78 wrote:
This whole story is such a joke already. Those 3 schools are mentioned not because they may have done anything wrong, but because players who now attend those schools apparently met with this agent prior to attending the respective schools and those meetings were unknown to the schools. So if the schools were not involved in the alleged illegal behavior, why should they now be punished because the player ultimately chose to attend their school? I have no problem with penalties for the players but I don't think it rises to forfeits or any of that nonsense for the schools. How could any school possibly know if a recruit met with an agent? Right now this looks like nothing more than throwing out the names of big-time programs in an attempt to garner interest in the story.
              Using the least competent governmental organization(FBI) to run a probe of this seems ludicrus. FBI needs to concentrate on the things they are hired to do(school shootings being one).  Schools have in-house people who handle this as does the NCAA. Sounds great for some to pump out the "FBI" crapola, but the FBI is just as corrupt as many of these schools may be. Invoking the FBI as doing an investigation is tantamount to having Barney Fife 'crack down' on the mafia,
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wiscopetty
Uh, yeah. The FBI didn't just get involved on a whim here. They kept the NCAA in the dark about the whole investigation, which should speak for itself. Anyone who expects the NCAA to dole out harsh punishment on their own wasn't following the UNC case, or basically the entire history of the organization.

The FBI is involved here because there are huge sums of money being exchanged, and likely not reported to the IRS. I've read that charges of money laundering, wire fraud, and conspiracy to commit wire fraud are potentially in play here.

If you think this is just another run-of-the-mill NCAA scandal, you're not grasping the scope of it. Sean Miller is just the beginning.
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safetysqueezepleezzee11

Read an article that they caught Sean Miller on tape talking money for a recruit. Also read another article that the GREAT Diamond Stone(or his family) got some 'money' for going to Maryland(sounded like it was from a booster).

Looks like Duke may get 'caught' too. I suspect most of us realize these top guys are getting STUFF. It may not go to them, but to get them recruited; money/stuff is going to someone to get them in the program.

I am waiting for MU to be implicated too. Wojo learned from the best - Coach K and his crew. Coach K is smart enough to never be close enough to be implicated, but his minions do his dark work to get players.

Have heard they are looking into  Kentucky too(wonder if they ever stop looking into teams Calipari goes to). The INVESTIGATIONS are getting perhaps 3-5% of what actually happens though. Would need a RICO investigation to get to the top coaches, I think anyway.
Much of this is disguised as 'loans' and look legit, but no one probably ever pays the loans back and the NCAA is too dumb to figure out 2 plus 2.


And YES for once I agree with DAWGIE - Izzo is sleazy and always has been!

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safetysqueezepleezzee11
wiscopetty wrote:
Uh, yeah. The FBI didn't just get involved on a whim here. They kept the NCAA in the dark about the whole investigation, which should speak for itself. Anyone who expects the NCAA to dole out harsh punishment on their own wasn't following the UNC case, or basically the entire history of the organization.

The FBI is involved here because there are huge sums of money being exchanged, and likely not reported to the IRS. I've read that charges of money laundering, wire fraud, and conspiracy to commit wire fraud are potentially in play here.

If you think this is just another run-of-the-mill NCAA scandal, you're not grasping the scope of it. Sean Miller is just the beginning.
       Hoping the FBI keeps their mistresses out of the investigation and the FBI people stop using text/emails to each other PRIOR to the case being totally investigated.
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wiscopetty
A few things.
  • Sean Miller has to be living on borrowed time. His recorded conversation over the phone is the most damning evidence yet. Not sure if Arizona can afford to keep him, just on optics alone. 
  • I'm guessing a lot of programs will drag their feet on this, hoping to make it through the NCAA Tournament before the hammer comes down.
  • The big boys (Duke, Kansas, Kentucky) have to be sweating here. Josh Jackson's mom had an email correspondence with Christian Dawkins that is pretty indicting. And Coach K sounded rather guilty when asked about the matter at a press conference recently.
  • These latest revelations would certainly help to explain the Diamond Stone saga, when he was allegedly solid to Wisconsin before choosing Maryland at the eleventh hour. 
  • Besides Maryland, the most likely Big Ten program to be implicated here is Michigan State. On their own, the Miles Bridges case seems relatively forgivable, but with all the stuff swirling around the MSU program lately, there's a whole lot of smoke to indicate a potential fire.
  • Finally, credit to Yahoo Sports on this. They've been on top of this from day one. Contrast this with ESPN, who falsely reported on air last night that Sean Miller had been fired, then had to retract the statement shortly thereafter.
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