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afan1
Participation in baseball is down in the state ?

Could you please support that comment or at least explain it.
"The name All-Northwest itself means something to readers of the Leader-Telegram." ?

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billyhancock
Vikingck wrote:


j_townsupporter wrote:


i just glanced at the scoreboard section of our paper last night (jefferson) and for D3 girls soccer 3 out of 4 schools are private schools


Of course if you would put your biases away for 2 minutes and look and the facts you would realize that 30 out of the 60 schools in D3 are private schools. And without them you would go back to a 2 division system in which the smallest school to win a state championship prior to the merger was Grafton a school about 30 minutes outside of Milwaukee and not exactly what I would describe as rural. But that would be okay right? As long as its not a private.

Baseball is a little different but not much. Participation in baseball in this state is down in general and if you moved all privates up to D1 or elimintated them you might be lucky to fill three divisions or you might have to revert to a two division system. And again you would have a rural and urban debate. At least under the current format 4 divisions are possible, but as long privates have success I guess none of that matters.


Oops ignore the comment if you already viewed it...I see you were referring to soccer...not baseball. my apologies. Although you are completely wrong if you think there woudn't be enough teams to make 4 divisions in baseball without the privates. D3 alone has 75 public schools...move the urban D3 schools to D2 and bring the public D2's that belong in D3 and your are back to the same number as D3 had this year---94.
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afan1
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"The name All-Northwest itself means something to readers of the Leader-Telegram." ?

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timawtheos_old
After reading through this entire thread and numerous ones like it over the years, maybe the solution isn't a plus multiplier but a negative multiplier for those schools identified at being at a disadvantage (I'm not sure what to call it?). And I say this because I think it would be much easier to quantify the disadvantage a rural public school has. Basically, take a rural public school and multiply their enrollment by 85% or so. So a rural public school with an actual enrollment of 500 would have a sports enrollment of 425. In effect, this would bump up any urban schools tetering at the top of their respective division enrollment to play tournament games against the same level of competition they were playing agains the whole year anyway and also likewise allow the rural publics the same distinction.

Not sure, just an idea looking at it in a different way.
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silooo23_old
my feeling about this whole thing is that if private school's do get bumped up divisions, the ones that are recruiting will continue to win because there will be even more of an incentive to go there. there will be a higher level of competition and they will be able to recruit more student athletes. in michigan nothing has been done with the private schools but it wouldn't make a difference what division detroit country day is in, they would still win state every other year.
the private schools that don't recruit (my alma mater) might as well quite there athletic programs because there is know way we'll be able to compete in anything. i'm not sure what private school scholarships have to do with anything because you already have a scholarship at public school from the government. also, some public schools in my area do more recruiting of athletes that any of the private schools do.
private schools may not have as many special needs kids, but we do have many more "band students," "drama students," "student students," and at christian schools there are a lot of kids whose parents make them go to a private school or kids want to stay with there grade school friends but have no interest in sports.
i don't pretend to be an expert on any of this and i don't have any stats, just some feelings.
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