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traviswilson
warrior2spartan wrote:
Then why would the Vikings be adding 40,000 seats onto TCF for only playing their for 2 years? That's quite the investment for a "bad" fan base. If the fan base is so "bad" then why give spend the money on 40,000 seats that you will only use for 2 years?

You are claiming the Vikings are going to build 40,000 extra seats into TCF Bank Stadium? I just want to be clear that is what you are saying. Can you provide any factual evidence of this?

By the way, average attendance this year when the Gophs have actually been kind of good? 47,797, well below capacity.
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traviswilson
coach40 wrote:
traviswilson wrote:
Gophs had to build their stadium to 55,000 in order to make sure it was filled or close to filled. Vikes had to threaten fans with blackouts several times, including postseason games, in order to sellout or rely on businesses buying large lots of tickets. All that needs to be said.



I also remember many years in Badger land when Camp Randall did not fill up! 1980's were a mess. FInancially and successfully for them. Badgers did alright getting Barry, Bret did fine, and now Gary. Gophers screwed up firing the one man that was successful in Mason.

As for the size of TCF bank....did you know that the stadium is built so that it can be expanded to 80,000?

Sweet, wake me up when they have enough ticket sales to expand to 80,000
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coach40
warrior2spartan wrote:
coach40 wrote:
traviswilson wrote:
Gophs had to build their stadium to 55,000 in order to make sure it was filled or close to filled. Vikes had to threaten fans with blackouts several times, including postseason games, in order to sellout or rely on businesses buying large lots of tickets. All that needs to be said.



I also remember many years in Badger land when Camp Randall did not fill up! 1980's were a mess. FInancially and successfully for them. Badgers did alright getting Barry, Bret did fine, and now Gary. Gophers screwed up firing the one man that was successful in Mason.

As for the size of TCF bank....did you know that the stadium is built so that it can be expanded to 80,000?


I think Travis had an extra batch of Badger Kool Aid to cope with the loss this weekend []


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coach40
traviswilson wrote:
warrior2spartan wrote:
Then why would the Vikings be adding 40,000 seats onto TCF for only playing their for 2 years? That's quite the investment for a "bad" fan base. If the fan base is so "bad" then why give spend the money on 40,000 seats that you will only use for 2 years?

You are claiming the Vikings are going to build 40,000 extra seats into TCF Bank Stadium? I just want to be clear that is what you are saying. Can you provide any factual evidence of this?

By the way, average attendance this year when the Gophs have actually been kind of good? 47,797, well below capacity.



Capacity is actually 50,805
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afan1
traviswilson wrote:
Gophs had to build their stadium to 55,000 in order to make sure it was filled or close to filled. Vikes had to threaten fans with blackouts several times, including postseason games, in order to sellout or rely on businesses buying large lots of tickets. All that needs to be said.


The stadium's cost totals $288.5 million or $303 mil. (depending on who you listen too) of which the university will pay 52 percent and the state of Minnesota the remaining 48 percent. That fact weighed heavily on the capacity as it should. Current capacity is 50,805 not 55,000 ( and expandable to 80k). ( Structurally and design wise)

Not a Viking fan in the least but are you aware that there were 15 NFL blackouts in 2012 ? With the NHL, NBA and the Vikings all playing in one metropolitan area, with overlapping of seasons, the St Paul/Mpls area is the smallest city having all 3. That also comes into play if you will admit it or not.

You are a big Badger and Packer fan, we get that. I am a Packer fan too. Just do not try to thrust your version of reality on the rest of us without question. It gets old.

Below is the improvements being made to the Bank, the capacity will basically be the same for the Vikings as the current set up.


Certain improvements to TCF Bank Stadium are necessary for winter stadium operation and to meet specific NFL mandates, including:

Installation of new turf and an appropriate heating element for the playing surface to be determined by Vikings and University officials.
Installation of heat trace pipe to ensure cold weather plumbing functionality.
Potential installation of additional temporary seating in the western end zone plaza, subject to approval by the University?s building code division (number of seats yet to be determined by Vikings and University officials).
Any necessary modification of existing video platform to meet NFL broadcast requirements.
Installation of additional insulation in various locations around TCF Bank Stadium.
Build-out storage space within TCF Bank Stadium.
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warrior2spartan
snoopaloop wrote:
I don't understand the point of these discussions. I know it came about naturally in the discourse but still, to there's a lot of "our fans are more passionate than your fans" going on, which is really pointless. If a team isn't any good they're not going to sell out, nor should they. If a team is good and consistently good people will rally around them.

I think it'd be really stupid of a fan base to show up and support a team that doesn't win. People in cleveland going to support the inept browns year after year, pouring money into a franchise that has no interest in returning their investment. I don't get it. As a fan of teams I understand and respect the loyalty, but it's still really dumb


I completely understand your point and it is a good one. That said, if the Packers were 0-15 and I had tickets to the last game, I'd still pay good money to go to the game. Just think of how many people(myself included) are on the waiting list for the Packers. Packers are a great franchise right now but the majority of the people who have season tickets and those on the waiting list got those during the 70's and 80's when the Packers were far from a quality team/franchise.
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blade12
What could the MN vs WI HS bowls play for?

D1 Jesse Ventura's Feather Boa
D2 Prince's Motorcycle from Purple Rain
D3 Judy Garland's Ruby Red Slippers
D4 Garrison Keilor's Golden Fountain Pen
D5 John Madden's Bus
D6 Jane Russell's Brazier

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mickjagger
blade12 wrote:
What could the MN vs WI HS bowls play for?

D1 Jesse Ventura's Feather Boa
D2 Prince's Motorcycle from Purple Rain
D3 Judy Garland's Ruby Red Slippers
D4 Garrison Keilor's Golden Fountain Pen
D5 John Madden's Bus
D6 Jane Russell's Brazier

Also up for consideration: one of Bob Dylan's harmonicas , a Charles Lindbergh flight jacket, a Vincent Bugliosi legal pad, a James Arness six-shooter, a Jessica Lange "Oscar" statue
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kenny78
warrior2spartan wrote:
It'd be really cool if Minnesota would move their season up a week and play their State Finals the same week as Wisconsin does. Then the following weekend after Thanksgiving, have the 6A champion in Minnesota play the Division 1 champion in Wisconsin, 5A vs. D2 and so on. Considering how enthralled both states are in "Border Battle" mindset.

This year we could have seen:
6A Eden Prairie vs. D1 Arrowhead @TCF Bank Stadium
5A Owatonna vs. D2 Kimberly @Lambeau Field
4A Hutchinson vs. D3 Monona Grove @Metrodome
3A St. Croix Lutheran vs. D4 Winneconne @Camp Randall
2A Chatfield vs. D5 Stanley-Boyd @UW-Whitewater
1A Mahnomen vs. D6 Shiocton @University of St. Thomas

Sorry I did not include D7 champ Black Hawk with this scenario, Minnesota only has 6 divisions which wouldn't be a bad thing for Wisconsin to consider. It seems as though the playoff field in Wisconsin has been slightly watered down with the extra division.

It would be interesting to see how each of these games would play out if this were to ever occur. Both states have very energetic and prideful fan bases when in comes to College and NFL football. Just another way to gain bragging rights. Another discussion with this would be where would these games be played. I think the best bet would be a neutral site that rotates every year. I put a stadium next to the games just to give an idea of where potentially these games could be played. Obviously I could have missed potential sites and who knows if these places would ever want to host an event like this.


Never happen, mostly due to the impact on the winter sports season. With the changes to the WIAA football playoff schedule there are teams that have already lost two weeks of practice time. I can't see games like these being played just for fun.
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mikerohde
coach40 wrote:
traviswilson wrote:
warrior2spartan wrote:
It'd be really cool if Minnesota would move their season up a week and play their State Finals the same week as Wisconsin does. Then the following weekend after Thanksgiving, have the 6A champion in Minnesota play the Division 1 champion in Wisconsin, 5A vs. D2 and so on. Considering how enthralled both states are in "Border Battle" mindset.

This year we could have seen:
6A Eden Prairie vs. D1 Arrowhead @TCF Bank Stadium
5A Owatonna vs. D2 Kimberly @Lambeau Field
4A Hutchinson vs. D3 Monona Grove @Metrodome
3A St. Croix Lutheran vs. D4 Winneconne @Camp Randall
2A Chatfield vs. D5 Stanley-Boyd @UW-Whitewater
1A Mahnomen vs. D6 Shiocton @University of St. Thomas

Sorry I did not include D7 champ Black Hawk with this scenario, Minnesota only has 6 divisions which wouldn't be a bad thing for Wisconsin to consider. It seems as though the playoff field in Wisconsin has been slightly watered down with the extra division.

It would be interesting to see how each of these games would play out if this were to ever occur. Both states have very energetic and prideful fan bases when in comes to College and NFL football. Just another way to gain bragging rights. Another discussion with this would be where would these games be played. I think the best bet would be a neutral site that rotates every year. I put a stadium next to the games just to give an idea of where potentially these games could be played. Obviously I could have missed potential sites and who knows if these places would ever want to host an event like this.

I'd beg to differ


Hey now....I support the Gophers and we do have a very good fan base!


I do too, and I agree.


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warrior2spartan
kenny78 wrote:
warrior2spartan wrote:
It'd be really cool if Minnesota would move their season up a week and play their State Finals the same week as Wisconsin does. Then the following weekend after Thanksgiving, have the 6A champion in Minnesota play the Division 1 champion in Wisconsin, 5A vs. D2 and so on. Considering how enthralled both states are in "Border Battle" mindset.

This year we could have seen:
6A Eden Prairie vs. D1 Arrowhead @TCF Bank Stadium
5A Owatonna vs. D2 Kimberly @Lambeau Field
4A Hutchinson vs. D3 Monona Grove @Metrodome
3A St. Croix Lutheran vs. D4 Winneconne @Camp Randall
2A Chatfield vs. D5 Stanley-Boyd @UW-Whitewater
1A Mahnomen vs. D6 Shiocton @University of St. Thomas

Sorry I did not include D7 champ Black Hawk with this scenario, Minnesota only has 6 divisions which wouldn't be a bad thing for Wisconsin to consider. It seems as though the playoff field in Wisconsin has been slightly watered down with the extra division.

It would be interesting to see how each of these games would play out if this were to ever occur. Both states have very energetic and prideful fan bases when in comes to College and NFL football. Just another way to gain bragging rights. Another discussion with this would be where would these games be played. I think the best bet would be a neutral site that rotates every year. I put a stadium next to the games just to give an idea of where potentially these games could be played. Obviously I could have missed potential sites and who knows if these places would ever want to host an event like this.


I agree but we can all dream right?

Never happen, mostly due to the impact on the winter sports season. With the changes to the WIAA football playoff schedule there are teams that have already lost two weeks of practice time. I can't see games like these being played just for fun.

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