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oldballcoach1
Without a doubt, I think Mertz should get every opportunity to play next season.  And really, the fact that other Power 5 schools came calling and he rebuffed all of them, including Notre Dame, lends me to think he has been told that.  He offers what no one else on the Badgers QB roster does - the ability to make all of the throws and then if things break down, use his legs to scramble and pick up yards that way.  

With that being said, the idea of saving Coan's red-shirt is odd.  Look at it this way for next year:

     Horni plays as a senior
     Coan is the back up as a red-shirt freshman
     Mertz red-shirts

2020 - you then have Coan as a soph and Mertz as a freshman - I don't see Mertz sitting for 3 more years with Coan ahead of him  Because of that, I would have played Coan yesterday.  As I said, I would prefer to see Mertz start from day 1 - but I have a feeling, unless he blows PC away - he will sit for a year while Hornibrook plays out his senior year.  

And - PC is calling plays.  I don't see anything that leads me to believe he has given that up.  
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elsmith4
Without a doubt, I think Mertz should get every opportunity to play next season.  And really, the fact that other Power 5 schools came calling and he rebuffed all of them, including Notre Dame, lends me to think he has been told that.  He offers what no one else on the Badgers QB roster does - the ability to make all of the throws and then if things break down, use his legs to scramble and pick up yards that way.  

With that being said, the idea of saving Coan's red-shirt is odd.  Look at it this way for next year:

     Horni plays as a senior
     Coan is the back up as a red-shirt freshman
     Mertz red-shirts

2020 - you then have Coan as a soph and Mertz as a freshman - I don't see Mertz sitting for 3 more years with Coan ahead of him  Because of that, I would have played Coan yesterday.  As I said, I would prefer to see Mertz start from day 1 - but I have a feeling, unless he blows PC away - he will sit for a year while Hornibrook plays out his senior year.  

And - PC is calling plays.  I don't see anything that leads me to believe he has given that up.  


I follow Mertz on Twitter and even after all those offers and well into his high school season, he's said he's loyal to his commitment.  That also leads me to believe that Chryst and him have a good relationship and that he will have a great chance at starting.  Badger nation can't take another year of Hornibrook. 

Coan, for the record, will be a redshirt sophomore.  I too was confused that Chryst wasn't willing to burn his redshirt yesterday, but it is what it is.  We got dominated by a injury riddled, freshman laden Minny team for 4 quarters strait at home.  

True freshman/redshirt freshman are starting much more often nowadays, but Chryst and Rudolph under Alvarez seem to not change anything and make adjustments and keep it conservative and old school.  I know making a jump from high school to D1 is monumental, but I would think that Chryst's offense isn't overly complicated.  Hand the ball off 30-40 times a game and follow some basic route trees.  That's what he's done all season and maybe it's because he's limited with AH and Coan under center.


Lastly, while reading the Journal Sentinel today, I can't help but cringe that Wisconsin has been on the losing end against coaches I despise in PJ Fleck and Jim Harbaugh.  Those narratives are "coaches get signature wins against Wisconsin."  As much as I hate to say it, the energy and camaraderie Fleck brings to Minnesota is great for them because they are now trending upwards in the B1G West relative to their success in years past.  Same with Nebraska and Northwestern.  Unless some drastic changes are made, we aren't gonna be the annual team in Indy from the West anymore. 
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db11
Without a doubt, I think Mertz should get every opportunity to play next season.  And really, the fact that other Power 5 schools came calling and he rebuffed all of them, including Notre Dame, lends me to think he has been told that.  He offers what no one else on the Badgers QB roster does - the ability to make all of the throws and then if things break down, use his legs to scramble and pick up yards that way.  

With that being said, the idea of saving Coan's red-shirt is odd.  Look at it this way for next year:

     Horni plays as a senior
     Coan is the back up as a red-shirt freshman
     Mertz red-shirts

2020 - you then have Coan as a soph and Mertz as a freshman - I don't see Mertz sitting for 3 more years with Coan ahead of him  Because of that, I would have played Coan yesterday.  As I said, I would prefer to see Mertz start from day 1 - but I have a feeling, unless he blows PC away - he will sit for a year while Hornibrook plays out his senior year.  

And - PC is calling plays.  I don't see anything that leads me to believe he has given that up.  


I've never been able to get a straight answer on this. Between the playcalling not resembling anything PC has done previous and his whole sideline presence not belying that of somebody calling the shots I'm not sure.

In any case, I was saddened to not see they had parted ways with Joe Rudolph when I awoke this morning. (For context, Minny fired their DC a few weeks ago and it completely turned their season around)

The Badgers football program is at a major crossroads. The programs around them are waking up. I think the days of getting fat on the mostly mediocre Big 10 are over. Furthermore, the Andersen/Aranda recruits will be almost all gone next year. What underclassmen have stepped up and shown they are ready on the defensive side of the ball?

Yesterday was appalling and frightening for many reasons. Ultimately it was the culmination of massive underachievement, and this is from a guy who thought they started the year about 10 spots too high. Unfortunately, I don't think one highly-touted QB prospect is gonna change this program's fortunes.

Chryst starting to look like a college version of Jeff Fisher. Perhaps we should have rang more alarm bells at the off-season shenanigans and the timing of the departures of some key contributors. Maybe it wasn't the players, but the culture of the program itself? 🤷

Badgers carried themselves like Tarzan this year; played like Jane...and everyone saw through that facade.
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elsmith4
db11 wrote:


I've never been able to get a straight answer on this. Between the playcalling not resembling anything PC has done previous and his whole sideline presence not belying that of somebody calling the shots I'm not sure.

In any case, I was saddened to not see they had parted ways with Joe Rudolph when I awoke this morning. (For context, Minny fired their DC a few weeks ago and it completely turned their season around)

The Badgers football program is at a major crossroads. The programs around them are waking up. I think the days of getting fat on the mostly mediocre Big 10 are over. Furthermore, the Andersen/Aranda recruits will be almost all gone next year. What underclassmen have stepped up and shown they are ready on the defensive side of the ball?

Yesterday was appalling and frightening for many reasons. Ultimately it was the culmination of massive underachievement, and this is from a guy who thought they started the year about 10 spots too high. Unfortunately, I don't think one highly-touted QB prospect is gonna change this program's fortunes.

Chryst starting to look like a college version of Jeff Fisher. Perhaps we should have rang more alarm bells at the off-season shenanigans and the timing of the departures of some key contributors. Maybe it wasn't the players, but the culture of the program itself? 🤷

Badgers carried themselves like Tarzan this year; played like Jane...and everyone saw through that facade.


This.  Gary Anderson/Aranda recruits have absolutely carried the defense the last 2-3 years and Chryst and Co have gotten all the credit for it.  It's very concerning moving forward.  Minnesota came out with a buncha 2 star recruit freshman and absolutely handed it to us and PC just sat there with the deer in the headlight look once again.  No fire, no rallying, no benching Hornibrook, no nothing.  The one time PC decides to go for it on 4th and 4 and we throw a 30 yard pass into no-mans land with Fergy wide open over the middle.  

Rudolph, while developing a reputation as a pretty good recruiter, needs to go (Bostad is a true OL coach).   Special teams has been a disaster and Haering needs to go. Would Budmayr be a coach at a program like WI if it weren't for PC?  Will those guys be held accountable?  Probably not, those are Paul Chryst's buddy buddies just like Hornibrook is his golden boy. 
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elsmith4 wrote:
As gimmicky, annoying, and animated as PJ Fleck is, he instilled the energy in his team that they needed to win.  Do you EVER see UW coaching staff do that, let alone Paul Chryst?  From the missed Gags field goal, that was the vibe I and the rest of Badger nation got from the team.  That goes for almost every other game this season.  No energy. No discipline.  No in-game adjustments.  Even in the wins this year the Badgers lacked energy, creativity, and a will to win.  

Injuries and youth can't be an excuse.  Look at Minnesota's roster for pete's sake.  

This is on the coaching staff, through and through.  

In my opinion, unless drastic changes come, Wisconsin is trending DOWN towards mediocrity.  Paul Chryst's recruits are all in. 


The decline of the defense from 2017 to 2018 was just huge. The down lineman never replaced the guys from last year. The OLB's didnt rush the passer very well. Defensive backs just sucked overall(yeah I know they are young).  Wisconsin had been a great defensive team that didnt need much of an offense. This season they didnt have the great defense and the offense wasnt MUCH at all, other than J. Taylor. How can a team not convert a 2nd and 4, with J. Taylor in the backfield.?That first offensive series in the red zone set the pattern for the entire game and for much of the entire season.  Seemed like they were playing scared this season instead just going out and playing hard.
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oldballcoach1
As much as I like Groshek - it seems like taking Taylor off of the field does the opponent a huge favor.  Taylor could break any of those short check downs into 6 points at any time and Groshek is just not capable of that.  Taylor has to stay on the field.  It just seemed like the playbook of old vanished.  No crossing routes, no shots long, no TE seams, and even the FB in the flat that always was open.

Of all of the issues though, it doesn't seem to have impacted much on the recruiting end of things.  We all know of Mertz, but write down a couple of others that will be household names for a few years.  

Logan Brown could be added to that list of great Badger lineman.  This guy will be really good and has everything you need to be a 1st round LT.  He and Joe Tippmann could be playing on Sunday's for a long time.  
Rodas Johnson.  Probably a DT, but could also end up as a G.  
Spencer Lytyle could be another one of those OLB's that we have seen in Madison.  

Losing the group of seniors from this year will be tough, but it isn't like the cupboard will be bare.  
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db11
As much as I like Groshek - it seems like taking Taylor off of the field does the opponent a huge favor.  Taylor could break any of those short check downs into 6 points at any time and Groshek is just not capable of that.  Taylor has to stay on the field.  It just seemed like the playbook of old vanished.  No crossing routes, no shots long, no TE seams, and even the FB in the flat that always was open.

Of all of the issues though, it doesn't seem to have impacted much on the recruiting end of things.  We all know of Mertz, but write down a couple of others that will be household names for a few years.  

Logan Brown could be added to that list of great Badger lineman.  This guy will be really good and has everything you need to be a 1st round LT.  He and Joe Tippmann could be playing on Sunday's for a long time.  
Rodas Johnson.  Probably a DT, but could also end up as a G.  
Spencer Lytyle could be another one of those OLB's that we have seen in Madison.  

Losing the group of seniors from this year will be tough, but it isn't like the cupboard will be bare.  


That's what confuses me in regards as to who was calling plays. Especially when it became pretty clear that the OL and Hornibrook were not playing up to snuff. No real wrinkles were added or adjustments were made. The jet sweep looks even became pretty rare. It became stale and very easy to prepare for (looks towards Green Bay and *sighs*).

I'm scared to think of where this offense would have been without Taylor's brilliance. It's inexplicable, returning that many starters.
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oldballcoach1
db11 wrote:


That's what confuses me in regards as to who was calling plays. Especially when it became pretty clear that the OL and Hornibrook were not playing up to snuff. No real wrinkles were added or adjustments were made. The jet sweep looks even became pretty rare. It became stale and very easy to prepare for (looks towards Green Bay and *sighs*).

I'm scared to think of where this offense would have been without Taylor's brilliance. It's inexplicable, returning that many starters.


I am on board with that.  I forgot about the jet sweeps - guess PC did also.  I know in the past PC has talked about calling plays and how he tries to set things up and I haven't seen anything that says he still is not doing that.  Here is an article written just before PC's first game at UW in 2015.

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/football/badgers-football-play-call-terminology-acts-as-a-second-language/article_b64cdd21-5409-5b07-bbff-bc3ee4704a56.html

Doesn't necessarily say PC calls plays, but it is his system and he installs everything.  If for some reason he was not calling plays this season, he needs to return to it.  I would be surprised if anyone else was calling plays quite honestly.  

I hope at some point, someone can explain the OL issues of the year.  I stand by my statement I have made that this OL has at least 2 1st/2nd round picks on it (Edwards and Benzschawel) and 2 more 2nd/3rd rounders (Dieter and Biadasz).  And even Dietzen will be in an NFL camp and may be a late round pick.  Something is not right when that talent can't come together.  
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mickjagger
elsmith4 wrote:
The one time PC decides to go for it on 4th and 4 and we throw a 30 yard pass into no-mans land with Fergy wide open over the middle.  

Rudolph, while developing a reputation as a pretty good recruiter, needs to go (Bostad is a true OL coach).   Special teams has been a disaster and Haering needs to go. Would Budmayr be a coach at a program like WI if it weren't for PC?  Will those guys be held accountable?  Probably not, those are Paul Chryst's buddy buddies just like Hornibrook is his golden boy. 
Agree with the bolded !  Joe Rudolph has to go !  Poor line coach ... poor offensive coordinator ...  I agree, elsmith, Bob Bostad would look real good back on the UW sidelines in an ass't coach's capacity.
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mickjagger wrote:
Bob Bostad would look real good back on the UW sidelines in an ass't coach's capacity.

He's been on the sidelines the past two seasons as an assistant coach... It just so happens to be as an inside linebacker coach instead of where he is probably best suited.
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mickjagger wrote:
Bob Bostad would look real good back on the UW sidelines in an ass't coach's capacity.

He's been on the sidelines the past two seasons as an assistant coach... It just so happens to be as an inside linebacker coach instead of where he is probably best suited.
Thanks, for the heads-up, WIAC.  You are correct.  What I meant to/should've posted/clarified is Bostad back on the Bucky sideline as the O-line coach.
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