notahomer
Read about it here

I only know of this school as it has such a odd name. The most interesting part of the small write-up is "According to statistics kept by the WIAA, it has investigated 78 cases of recruiting by coaches or undue influence by individuals outside programs since January 2000. Eleven times the accusations were confirmed. Eight of those involved public schools."

Timing is funny as well.
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traviswilson
There were two instances of recruiting or undue influence that were proven by WIAA this year. The School of Languages one and one involving Mercer girls basketball.
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As I said in my original post, with all the accusations of recruiting being implied in the multiplier thread, the WIAA has only investigated 78 in 14 years or 6 per year were investigated with 11 confirmed. In 14 years. I'd really like to see a breakdown of what schools the WIAA investigated to see a public vs private number and if they match w/any of the schools alluded to in the multiplier thread (Regis, Dominican, St. Cats, etc.).

I thought the number of investigations would be higher. I don't know if a concerned citizen can just call/email the WIAA w/accusations or if proof needs to be provided initially before the WIAA terms it an actual investigation.
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notahomer wrote:
As I said in my original post, with all the accusations of recruiting being implied in the multiplier thread, the WIAA has only investigated 78 in 14 years or 6 per year were investigated with 11 confirmed. In 14 years. I'd really like to see a breakdown of what schools the WIAA investigated to see a public vs private number and if they match w/any of the schools alluded to in the multiplier thread (Regis, Dominican, St. Cats, etc.).

I thought the number of investigations would be higher. I don't know if a concerned citizen can just call/email the WIAA w/accusations or if proof needs to be provided initially before the WIAA terms it an actual investigation.

I have the list of schools reported for violations (and keep in mind for the WIAA to investigate recruiting, they have to get it reported), but do not feel comfortable posting it as I feel it is prejudicial towards those schools that were investigated and the WIAA not able to prove any recruiting or undue influence.
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traviswilson wrote:
notahomer wrote:
As I said in my original post, with all the accusations of recruiting being implied in the multiplier thread, the WIAA has only investigated 78 in 14 years or 6 per year were investigated with 11 confirmed. In 14 years. I'd really like to see a breakdown of what schools the WIAA investigated to see a public vs private number and if they match w/any of the schools alluded to in the multiplier thread (Regis, Dominican, St. Cats, etc.).

I thought the number of investigations would be higher. I don't know if a concerned citizen can just call/email the WIAA w/accusations or if proof needs to be provided initially before the WIAA terms it an actual investigation.

I have the list of schools reported for violations (and keep in mind for the WIAA to investigate recruiting, they have to get it reported), but do not feel comfortable posting it as I feel it is prejudicial towards those schools that were investigated and the WIAA not able to prove any recruiting or undue influence.


Is that not public information?
I realize a lot of what is considered public information can be almost impossible to get these days, but
if you have the info and it is public information - why the problem posting?
If it isn't public information, it should be I would think.
Just wondering........
It wouldn't be prejudicial if the schools were found innocent and those that were found guilty
should be put out there IMHO
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traviswilson wrote:
notahomer wrote:
As I said in my original post, with all the accusations of recruiting being implied in the multiplier thread, the WIAA has only investigated 78 in 14 years or 6 per year were investigated with 11 confirmed. In 14 years. I'd really like to see a breakdown of what schools the WIAA investigated to see a public vs private number and if they match w/any of the schools alluded to in the multiplier thread (Regis, Dominican, St. Cats, etc.).

I thought the number of investigations would be higher. I don't know if a concerned citizen can just call/email the WIAA w/accusations or if proof needs to be provided initially before the WIAA terms it an actual investigation.

I have the list of schools reported for violations (and keep in mind for the WIAA to investigate recruiting, they have to get it reported), but do not feel comfortable posting it as I feel it is prejudicial towards those schools that were investigated and the WIAA not able to prove any recruiting or undue influence.


Understood.

Could I get some clarification on what the WIAA terms an investigation? Say I call the WIAA and make claims Grafton is recruiting (I live in Cedarburg so just using a known rivalry here. Nothing implied), I have no proof other than my word. Will the WIAA investigate based on my word or will something more substantial need to be provided to term it an investigation? Just seems wide open for abuse.
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Of the 11 confirmed, what was the resulting action ?
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Not sure the information relative to who it is, is a positive. The fact that it occurrs is an indicator that the priority isnt the student or the student athlete, but rather, some folks are chasing a trophy. The lengths they will go to get it, the rules they bend or break, and the lack of ethics says more than anything else. I just dont think you can legislate that behavior out of the public or private side.
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traviswilson
afan1 wrote:
Of the 11 confirmed, what was the resulting action ?

Depends on the case, but resulting action has included removal from playoff series (this one was actually publicly reported back in 2009 when Milwaukee King boys were held out of playoffs), players that were ruled to have received undue influence from an outside person not being eligible at a school they had transferred to, coach suspensions, and others. I don't believe, but don't quote me on it, that the firing of the coach in the initial example in this thread was done at the direction of the WIAA, I'm almost positive the school took that step.
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notahomer wrote:
traviswilson wrote:
notahomer wrote:
As I said in my original post, with all the accusations of recruiting being implied in the multiplier thread, the WIAA has only investigated 78 in 14 years or 6 per year were investigated with 11 confirmed. In 14 years. I'd really like to see a breakdown of what schools the WIAA investigated to see a public vs private number and if they match w/any of the schools alluded to in the multiplier thread (Regis, Dominican, St. Cats, etc.).

I thought the number of investigations would be higher. I don't know if a concerned citizen can just call/email the WIAA w/accusations or if proof needs to be provided initially before the WIAA terms it an actual investigation.

I have the list of schools reported for violations (and keep in mind for the WIAA to investigate recruiting, they have to get it reported), but do not feel comfortable posting it as I feel it is prejudicial towards those schools that were investigated and the WIAA not able to prove any recruiting or undue influence.


Understood.

Could I get some clarification on what the WIAA terms an investigation? Say I call the WIAA and make claims Grafton is recruiting (I live in Cedarburg so just using a known rivalry here. Nothing implied), I have no proof other than my word. Will the WIAA investigate based on my word or will something more substantial need to be provided to term it an investigation? Just seems wide open for abuse.

I believe the normal process is if the WIAA receives a report of impropriety they try to get as much information as possible from the source. If they deem it legitimate enough, they contact the schools involved for more info and to assist with the investigation. There have been instances where the WIAA has attempted to speak to players involved and parents refused to allow it. Unfortunately the WIAA has no power to require them to talk, and there's no punishment if they don't talk.
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pogue wrote:

Not sure the information relative to who it is, is a positive. The fact that it occurrs is an indicator that the priority isnt the student or the student athlete, but rather, some folks are chasing a trophy. The lengths they will go to get it, the rules they bend or break, and the lack of ethics says more than anything else. I just dont think you can legislate that behavior out of the public or private side.


You're probably right on the whole....funny though 'cause Allen couldn't even win at Vincent following Diener, and in the case of the Mercer girls, it may have have partly been out of survival, as 2-3 years ago they had less than 8 girls out for basketball.
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