eaglepride1
Who will win Round 3 and play for the sectional final berth against Aquinas?

Mel-Min is a year or two early based on predictions, but what a fun group for the Mustangs to have the next couple years! Wow.

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bullseye
It's hard to beat any team 3 times, especially a very good team such as C-FC. Mel-Min is unbelievable considering they are all Freshmen and Sophomores. Their problem is/will be is depth. They go about 7 deep but there is considerable drop off when players #6 and #7 are on the floor. Foul trouble could be the death of them. But those girls can run with anyone. They also have some very impressive wins on the season.

C-FC is the opposite...very deep. I believe Mel-Min is more talented in their starting 5, but C-FC is considerably deeper. CFC literally plays 9-10 players a lot of minutes. They have the speed and size to be able to match up with Mel-Min, but have been unsuccessful so far. Very bright future for both teams considering CFC only graduates one starter and Mel-Min won't graduate a starter for a few years!

Both teams are very well coached and have a lot of talent. C-FC probably deserves to be ranked, their that good. Their schedule just isn't the toughest out there though. A very fun team to watch. They also play 2 freshmen significant minutes.

Aquinas just being in D4 is another topic for another day. I'd love nothing more than to see the farm school kids take them down. Aquinas has their weaknesses too. Their fast and shot the ball well, but lack the size of a CFC or Mel-Min. Sorry, maybe my hatred for privates playing big schools all season, then going DOWN to D4 is showing. Go CFC and MEL-MIN!

What do you think?
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thecrackerjack
Between CFC, MM, and Aquinas, the leading scorers for all 3 teams are either freshman or sophomores. That is a lot of impressive young talent.
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westernwihoops
bullseye wrote:
It's hard to beat any team 3 times, especially a very good team such as C-FC. Mel-Min is unbelievable considering they are all Freshmen and Sophomores. Their problem is/will be is depth. They go about 7 deep but there is considerable drop off when players #6 and #7 are on the floor. Foul trouble could be the death of them. But those girls can run with anyone. They also have some very impressive wins on the season.

C-FC is the opposite...very deep. I believe Mel-Min is more talented in their starting 5, but C-FC is considerably deeper. CFC literally plays 9-10 players a lot of minutes. They have the speed and size to be able to match up with Mel-Min, but have been unsuccessful so far. Very bright future for both teams considering CFC only graduates one starter and Mel-Min won't graduate a starter for a few years!

Both teams are very well coached and have a lot of talent. C-FC probably deserves to be ranked, their that good. Their schedule just isn't the toughest out there though. A very fun team to watch. They also play 2 freshmen significant minutes.

Aquinas just being in D4 is another topic for another day. I'd love nothing more than to see the farm school kids take them down. Aquinas has their weaknesses too. Their fast and shot the ball well, but lack the size of a CFC or Mel-Min. Sorry, maybe my hatred for privates playing big schools all season, then going DOWN to D4 is showing. Go CFC and MEL-MIN!

What do you think?


What is up with the rest of the conference? Mel-Min vs CFC is the only match up in the Diryland that I would pay to watch (almost just as bad for the boys). Any reason to think this will change any time soon?

Two very good teams and then a huge drop off. What sets them apart? At the game a couple weeks ago, a parent said that even the Jr High games are a joke right now with CFC and Mel-Min winning easily over the rest of the conference teams.

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eaglepride1
I think things are just that cyclical in small schools like the Dairyland. Along with open enrollment playing a factor at times. There was a day about a decade ago where ES and BT looked like they'd rule the boys side forever. Things change quick in hoops, as one or two kids of exceptional talent really swing things. It will be interesting to see if the three schools mentioned here maintain dominance over the next two years as it appears they will.

Did not know about MS games, that seems strange. Do all those kids have younger siblings? Sometimes that's a reality also, at the small schools.
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innercityivan
eaglepride1 wrote:
I think things are just that cyclical in small schools like the Dairyland. Along with open enrollment playing a factor at times. There was a day about a decade ago where ES and BT looked like they'd rule the boys side forever. Things change quick in hoops, as one or two kids of exceptional talent really swing things. It will be interesting to see if the three schools mentioned here maintain dominance over the next two years as it appears they will.

Did not know about MS games, that seems strange. Do all those kids have younger siblings? Sometimes that's a reality also, at the small schools.



If the recently introduced education bill in Washington is ratified, allowing parents to take their open enrollment dollars and pay for Private school.... I'd guess some of this talent will find it's way to Regis or Aquinas. (Even moreso than happens now)
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hornet1188
innercityivan wrote:
eaglepride1 wrote:
I think things are just that cyclical in small schools like the Dairyland. Along with open enrollment playing a factor at times. There was a day about a decade ago where ES and BT looked like they'd rule the boys side forever. Things change quick in hoops, as one or two kids of exceptional talent really swing things. It will be interesting to see if the three schools mentioned here maintain dominance over the next two years as it appears they will.

Did not know about MS games, that seems strange. Do all those kids have younger siblings? Sometimes that's a reality also, at the small schools.



If the recently introduced education bill in Washington is ratified, allowing parents to take their open enrollment dollars and pay for Private school.... I'd guess some of this talent will find it's way to Regis or Aquinas. (Even moreso than happens now)


Completely agree. Maybe we can go back to separate private/public divisions under the WIAA then. Never understood why we didn't just leave the WISAA schools with their same alignment back in 2000, never made sense to have them "apples-to-apples" with enrollment numbers within divisions. Just silly.
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bullseye
Completely agree. I hate the fact that the Aquinas's of the world play division 2 and 3 games all season long then go down to division 4 for playoffs. Schools such as Mel-Min and C-FC can't compete with that schedule. Both teams only have the possibility of 5 NC games too because of their conference being so large. Aquinas plays 10 NC games. Huge advantage!

What I see now a days too is...large schools don't want to play the better D4 and D5 teams because they have nothing to gain and everything to lose when it comes to the seeding meeting. Doesn't make a lot of sense to play a Mel-Min team and potentially lose and if you were to beat them, you should have because your a D2 school...

I believe both CFC and Mel-Min have built the best youth programs within their conference and that is a huge reason your seeing the advantage in the lower grades. Having been to some of the northwest tournaments these two programs are the best in their conference. Both have coaches who are very involved in the development of youth players too which is also very important.
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bullseye
Big game tonight...C-FC vs. Mel-Min. Who do you have winning this one?
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johnwall1
bullseye wrote:
It's hard to beat any team 3 times, especially a very good team such as C-FC. Mel-Min is unbelievable considering they are all Freshmen and Sophomores. Their problem is/will be is depth. They go about 7 deep but there is considerable drop off when players #6 and #7 are on the floor. Foul trouble could be the death of them. But those girls can run with anyone. They also have some very impressive wins on the season.

C-FC is the opposite...very deep. I believe Mel-Min is more talented in their starting 5, but C-FC is considerably deeper. CFC literally plays 9-10 players a lot of minutes. They have the speed and size to be able to match up with Mel-Min, but have been unsuccessful so far. Very bright future for both teams considering CFC only graduates one starter and Mel-Min won't graduate a starter for a few years!

Both teams are very well coached and have a lot of talent. C-FC probably deserves to be ranked, their that good. Their schedule just isn't the toughest out there though. A very fun team to watch. They also play 2 freshmen significant minutes.

Aquinas just being in D4 is another topic for another day. I'd love nothing more than to see the farm school kids take them down. Aquinas has their weaknesses too. Their fast and shot the ball well, but lack the size of a CFC or Mel-Min. Sorry, maybe my hatred for privates playing big schools all season, then going DOWN to D4 is showing. Go CFC and MEL-MIN!

What do you think?


This is unfortunate that you have "hatred" for something like high school sports. Perhaps you saw the Mustang boys get crushed last year by a private, thus the anger. Look back at Mel-Min boys schedule last season and tell me they did anything in the non-conference (6 games) to push themselves. Who's fault is that?

Let's get past the negativity and look at facts.

Mel-Min is a very good team and so young. Aquinas is similar, very good and very young, should be a good rivalry for a few years to come. This year Aquinas I believe will simply be too much for Mel-Min, the pressure defense will be like nothing Mel-Min has encountered this year, and no way they can prep for what will happen, just don't have the athletes to simulate it in practice and the choices they made for their 6 non-conf opponents may not have helped.

As to conference, don't hate on Aquinas b/c they play in a larger conference, nobody's fault. The truth is the MVC for girls is pretty terrible after Aquinas and Onalaska. Games against Sparta, Tomah, Logan, Central are not tougher than what the Dairyland can provide night in and night out. Mel-Min would crush those "big school" teams every night.

The non-Conf choices (key word, choices) that each team plays is up to them. Mel-Min stepped it up somewhat this year with non-conf games against GET, WS, Bangor and Luther. Mostly good, small school teams. Then they played Wrightstown, a very good non-conf opponent and won. Cashton and Luther maybe shouldn't have been on their schedule. So stepped up from D4 to D3 for 66% their non-conf games. Choices.

Aquinas chose to schedule Waunakee, Hayward, Bangor, Assumption among others, 2 state champs and 1 state team, some from "large" (D2) schools, others from small (D5). Aquinas doesn't seek out "big schools" to play, that doesn't make any sense. They seek out good teams that can expose weaknesses and get them better and ready for the playoffs. I think Mel-Min took a nice step in that direction this year, and hopefully will step up the non-conf schedule further next year to continue to improve on what is already a very good team.

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dawgstyle
johnwall1 wrote:
bullseye wrote:
It's hard to beat any team 3 times, especially a very good team such as C-FC. Mel-Min is unbelievable considering they are all Freshmen and Sophomores. Their problem is/will be is depth. They go about 7 deep but there is considerable drop off when players #6 and #7 are on the floor. Foul trouble could be the death of them. But those girls can run with anyone. They also have some very impressive wins on the season.

C-FC is the opposite...very deep. I believe Mel-Min is more talented in their starting 5, but C-FC is considerably deeper. CFC literally plays 9-10 players a lot of minutes. They have the speed and size to be able to match up with Mel-Min, but have been unsuccessful so far. Very bright future for both teams considering CFC only graduates one starter and Mel-Min won't graduate a starter for a few years!

Both teams are very well coached and have a lot of talent. C-FC probably deserves to be ranked, their that good. Their schedule just isn't the toughest out there though. A very fun team to watch. They also play 2 freshmen significant minutes.

Aquinas just being in D4 is another topic for another day. I'd love nothing more than to see the farm school kids take them down. Aquinas has their weaknesses too. Their fast and shot the ball well, but lack the size of a CFC or Mel-Min. Sorry, maybe my hatred for privates playing big schools all season, then going DOWN to D4 is showing. Go CFC and MEL-MIN!

What do you think?


This is unfortunate that you have "hatred" for something like high school sports. Perhaps you saw the Mustang boys get crushed last year by a private, thus the anger. Look back at Mel-Min boys schedule last season and tell me they did anything in the non-conference (6 games) to push themselves. Who's fault is that?

Let's get past the negativity and look at facts.

Mel-Min is a very good team and so young. Aquinas is similar, very good and very young, should be a good rivalry for a few years to come. This year Aquinas I believe will simply be too much for Mel-Min, the pressure defense will be like nothing Mel-Min has encountered this year, and no way they can prep for what will happen, just don't have the athletes to simulate it in practice and the choices they made for their 6 non-conf opponents may not have helped.

As to conference, don't hate on Aquinas b/c they play in a larger conference, nobody's fault. The truth is the MVC for girls is pretty terrible after Aquinas and Onalaska. Games against Sparta, Tomah, Logan, Central are not tougher than what the Dairyland can provide night in and night out. Mel-Min would crush those "big school" teams every night.

The non-Conf choices (key word, choices) that each team plays is up to them. Mel-Min stepped it up somewhat this year with non-conf games against GET, WS, Bangor and Luther. Mostly good, small school teams. Then they played Wrightstown, a very good non-conf opponent and won. Cashton and Luther maybe shouldn't have been on their schedule. So stepped up from D4 to D3 for 66% their non-conf games. Choices.

Aquinas chose to schedule Waunakee, Hayward, Bangor, Assumption among others, 2 state champs and 1 state team, some from "large" (D2) schools, others from small (D5). Aquinas doesn't seek out "big schools" to play, that doesn't make any sense. They seek out good teams that can expose weaknesses and get them better and ready for the playoffs. I think Mel-Min took a nice step in that direction this year, and hopefully will step up the non-conf schedule further next year to continue to improve on what is already a very good team.



Is it ok to "hate on" Aquinas for the players on their roster that came up through Onalaska and then switched schools? Imagine how good Onalaska would be if they weren't bleeding talent to a private school.
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bullseye
Also, didn't Rezin come from Tomah? Not positive, but that's what I heard.

Hate Aquinas? No, I love them. Love to see them lose! I don't like how they went about acquiring their players. Say what you want, but its not right. These Ona players didn't go to Aquinas because of religious reason's that's for sure. They went when they were told their AAU coach was given the head coaching job.

I'm not sure Mel-Min or C-FC could play with them, but I'd love to see the game. It's to bad that so many good teams in the sectional. Looking at other D4 sectionals and I think all three of these teams could have made it to state given they were in a different sectional.
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johnwall1
bullseye wrote:
Also, didn't Rezin come from Tomah? Not positive, but that's what I heard.

Hate Aquinas? No, I love them. Love to see them lose! I don't like how they went about acquiring their players. Say what you want, but its not right. These Ona players didn't go to Aquinas because of religious reason's that's for sure. They went when they were told their AAU coach was given the head coaching job.

I'm not sure Mel-Min or C-FC could play with them, but I'd love to see the game. It's to bad that so many good teams in the sectional. Looking at other D4 sectionals and I think all three of these teams could have made it to state given they were in a different sectional.


Well Bullseye, if you love to see them lose, it appears you are in for a long March. You forget about Open Enrollment, take a look at Onalaska's hockey roster and where those kids come from since Onalaska was brought into this discussion. If you really want to, look at Ona's show choir and dance and see how many OE's are in that program. They come to Ona for those programs (free through OE) because those programs are great. Where's the hate? Or do you hate selectively?

Now, unless you know the girls you refer to personally, shame on you for questioning their religious motivation, that's downright sad an adult would go that low.
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johnwall1
dawgstyle wrote:
johnwall1 wrote:
bullseye wrote:
It's hard to beat any team 3 times, especially a very good team such as C-FC. Mel-Min is unbelievable considering they are all Freshmen and Sophomores. Their problem is/will be is depth. They go about 7 deep but there is considerable drop off when players #6 and #7 are on the floor. Foul trouble could be the death of them. But those girls can run with anyone. They also have some very impressive wins on the season.

C-FC is the opposite...very deep. I believe Mel-Min is more talented in their starting 5, but C-FC is considerably deeper. CFC literally plays 9-10 players a lot of minutes. They have the speed and size to be able to match up with Mel-Min, but have been unsuccessful so far. Very bright future for both teams considering CFC only graduates one starter and Mel-Min won't graduate a starter for a few years!

Both teams are very well coached and have a lot of talent. C-FC probably deserves to be ranked, their that good. Their schedule just isn't the toughest out there though. A very fun team to watch. They also play 2 freshmen significant minutes.

Aquinas just being in D4 is another topic for another day. I'd love nothing more than to see the farm school kids take them down. Aquinas has their weaknesses too. Their fast and shot the ball well, but lack the size of a CFC or Mel-Min. Sorry, maybe my hatred for privates playing big schools all season, then going DOWN to D4 is showing. Go CFC and MEL-MIN!

What do you think?


This is unfortunate that you have "hatred" for something like high school sports. Perhaps you saw the Mustang boys get crushed last year by a private, thus the anger. Look back at Mel-Min boys schedule last season and tell me they did anything in the non-conference (6 games) to push themselves. Who's fault is that?

Let's get past the negativity and look at facts.

Mel-Min is a very good team and so young. Aquinas is similar, very good and very young, should be a good rivalry for a few years to come. This year Aquinas I believe will simply be too much for Mel-Min, the pressure defense will be like nothing Mel-Min has encountered this year, and no way they can prep for what will happen, just don't have the athletes to simulate it in practice and the choices they made for their 6 non-conf opponents may not have helped.

As to conference, don't hate on Aquinas b/c they play in a larger conference, nobody's fault. The truth is the MVC for girls is pretty terrible after Aquinas and Onalaska. Games against Sparta, Tomah, Logan, Central are not tougher than what the Dairyland can provide night in and night out. Mel-Min would crush those "big school" teams every night.

The non-Conf choices (key word, choices) that each team plays is up to them. Mel-Min stepped it up somewhat this year with non-conf games against GET, WS, Bangor and Luther. Mostly good, small school teams. Then they played Wrightstown, a very good non-conf opponent and won. Cashton and Luther maybe shouldn't have been on their schedule. So stepped up from D4 to D3 for 66% their non-conf games. Choices.

Aquinas chose to schedule Waunakee, Hayward, Bangor, Assumption among others, 2 state champs and 1 state team, some from "large" (D2) schools, others from small (D5). Aquinas doesn't seek out "big schools" to play, that doesn't make any sense. They seek out good teams that can expose weaknesses and get them better and ready for the playoffs. I think Mel-Min took a nice step in that direction this year, and hopefully will step up the non-conf schedule further next year to continue to improve on what is already a very good team.



Is it ok to "hate on" Aquinas for the players on their roster that came up through Onalaska and then switched schools? Imagine how good Onalaska would be if they weren't bleeding talent to a private school.


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bullseye
Yes, I know most of them personally. I also know most of their parents. I stand behind my statement. Enough said.

This whole conversation has been about basketball, not hockey, choir, dance team... So your right, I don't care what Ona hockey is doing or whoevers show choir's got the next best dancer from X town. I am talking about basketball and nothing else. Am I being selective, maybe but that's all I care about.

Let's look at open enrollment numbers at CFC and Mel-Min. Let's look how many of them OE students play basketball? Now lets see which Aquinas players live inside the LaCrosse School District.

Im asking an honest question to you JohnWall as you seem to be connected to Aquinas or know a lot about their program. How many students go to Aquinas with a mental or physical disability? I honestly don't know the answer to that question and was wondering if you do?
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