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alandoamazing
diener34 wrote:


Oh No.

This is going to turn into our yearly is golf a sport thread.


Seems to be heading that way. Which isn't good because I have four finals the next two days, and it draws me in every time.


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legendoflambeau
Just look at the domination of the sport that Tiger did. When I was thinking about this award Tiger and Lance were the top two on my list because it would be hard to give an athlete of the decade to someone who played on a team sport.
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paladium
Athletic ability is the ability to do more than the same thing over and over. The ability to re-act quickly to constantly changing circumstances, to maintain near perfect focus while outside forces (no, someone clapping or yelling is not a force) work to stop. The ability to stop, start, jump, dive, flip, and do other things which your body which 90% of humanity cannot and never will be able to do. Those who have it can work to improve it, but those without will most likely never be able to have it.

It is different from hard work, or endurance. Sports such as Soccer, Basketball, Football, Hockey, and Tennis require tremendous endurance, that is true, but they require more than just endurance. They require pure athletic talent to be the best.

Sports such as golf, nascar, bike racing, and swimming are still sports, they just require completely different types of ability. In these sports endurance reigns supreme: Not athletic ability. Being able to hit -5 under par every round is amazing (I sure as hell can't do it), but it is a lot different from what someone like Lionel Messi, Chris Johnson, Kobe Bryant, or Sydney Crosby has to do. You can still find great athletes in a sport such as golf: you just find far fewer athletes who have the ability to play more than one sport at a high level. Someone like Landon Donovan has the pure talent that if he had chosen a different sport he still would probably be a professional. Same with someone like LeBron James, Roger Federer, or Charles Woodson. How many golfers, bikers, or nascar drivers can you name that have the pure talent that those athletes have?
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alandoamazing
Mr_mike527 wrote:


Alando=Amazing wrote:


Mr_mike527 wrote:


Alando=Amazing wrote:


If you are going to argue that Tiger Woods isn't as athletic as the majority of NFL quarterbacks you are the one being idiotic. I guarantee Peyton's bench or 40 time is no where near being "a good deal better" than Woods. Tiger Woods bench max is reportedly around 320 btw.

And you use Vick and Jamarcus as your "other" NFL QBs?? LOL because they are average [] Since when did anyone think Vick was "tiny" by the way?

Also, this is why I put "fit" in parenthesis. You cannot use "fit" to talk about this subject. That was my point. At least the way in which I think about fit.


So we've completely buried any notion that a golfer would be more athletic than an Offensive Lineman. Now we'll tackle QB.

Mike Vick is tiny for an NFL QB. Its not what "anyone thinks," it is what it is. He is the absolute minimum height considered viable to play QB (6'0) and weighs 215. Can you name a smaller QB that has started significant time this decade that is significantly smaller than that? Aaron Rodgers would be around average, he's ten pounds heavier and two inches taller. Actually, every QB in the NFC North is two inches taller and about 10 pounds heavier. Peyton Manning is 5 inches taller and 15 pounds heavier. Tom Brady is 4 inches taller and ten pounds heavier. Mike Vick is definitely a small QB.

I will let you pick your choice as a prominent, out of shape QB. Jamarcus Russell would have been my pick. Most of these guys are extremely fast and extremely strong by most standards. Are you really going to tell me Tiger Woods is going to run a sub-4.7 and beat Peyton Manning in a race? Is he going to beat Peyton Manning in a fight giving up 40 pounds and 4 inches? Do you really think he's stronger than Peyton Manning--again, despite being 40 pounds and 4 inches smaller?

Pick your QB that you want to compare to Tiger. Almost all of them are phenomenal athletes. Hell, even Brad Johnson was Mr. Basketball in high school. When NFL players retire, they play golf.


Drew Brees is about the same size as Vick I'd imagine, if not smaller. He's been pretty successful imo. How tall was Flutie btw? 5'9"? I'm still not understanding why this matters. So, tell me again what being 6'5" and 240 has to do with being an athlete???

My point was not to say that NFL QBs are not athletes. In fact, I never said anything like that. My point is that there is no way you can prove to me that NFL quarterbacks are anymore of an athlete than Tiger Woods.

I would bet you a lot of money Tiger Woods bench is bigger than Tom Brady's. My point is, you cannot call the majority of NFL QBs athletes if you tell me Tiger Woods is not an athlete. You just cannot. You will never convince me Tom Brady is more of an athlete than Tiger Woods. Tom Brady is arguably the most successful QB of the decade and he can't bench 300 and he ran the 40 in like 5.2. I would be willing to bet he hasn't gotten any faster either. Again, if you are telling me that he is more of an athlete than Tiger, you are being stupid.


You're right, Drew Brees is tiny too. The point is that Vick is small for a NFL QB, and he's benching a lot. And you disagreed that Vick was tiny--by NFL QB standards, 6'0 is tiny. Troy Smith fell three extra rounds in the draft because he was 5'11.

I think they're both athletes, but my god, are you seriously arguing that Tiger Woods is more of an athlete than NFL QBs? Brady did run a 5.22 at the Combine, but it was likely just a poor time, because he ran a 4.99 at his Pro Day at Michigan.

I don't understand the idea that Tiger is a equal athlete with Brady. Do you really think Tiger could survive at QB? I don't mean he would have to play like Brady, but do you think you could stick Tiger in the pocket and have him survive a couple sacks and a handful of hits from NFL players per game? On the other hand, do you think Brady could play 18 holes of golf?

Tiger is in shape. But he's an athlete of your average guy you meet on the street and say "Wow, he's ripped!" Brady is an athlete on the level of he went through an NFL training camp, passed NFL-caliber conditioning tests, gets pounded on every week, and plays a sport that constantly forces him to run for his life. And its not like all that Brady can do is stand in the pocket and throw. He's a good athlete. He was drafted into the Pros as a Catcher, as well.

I'm not saying Woods isn't an athlete. But its a much different order to go play a few rounds of golf than to go play a football game, at any position other than Kicker or Punter.


Again I'll ask you, what does height have to do with being an athlete? Tiger is what? 6'1" and he can bench over 300, isn't that a "tiny" guy benching a lot? Do I think Tiger could withstand hits in the pocket against NFL players as well as Tom Brady? Yes I do. There is no reason for me to think he wouldn't be as durable as Tom Brady.

Don't even try to tell me that because he was drafted in the 18th round as a catcher that makes him more of an athlete than anyone. Many baseball positions take far less effort during one game than playing a round of golf. And again, baseball is as much completely based on skill as golf is. Being able to have the control over a golf shot that Tiger has takes the same, if not more, amount of skill as hitting a baseball as consistently as Pujols or being a really good pitcher.


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pinetar
in all honesty...I think that a lot of these sports are being overlooked because a lot of people don't take mental preparation and mental strain/fatigue while in their sport...sure driving a car is easy...but when you are driving a car at 200 mph literally inches and sometimes centimeters away from another car and having the abilities to not hit that car or knowing how to draft and slingshot yourself around a car and at what times to pass someone...I mean sure you aren't exerting yourself in the sense of jumping and running...but these guys are so mentally tough that I consider them athletes...with their reaction times and their "endurance" of sorts IMO makes them an athlete...obviously someone can come on here and say I sit in my car so that makes me an athlete...no it doesn't...I also throw a football with my friends when I'm tailgaiting...does that make me an NFL QB?
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pinetar
is it possible that the onion writers read this board?

this is a recent article I think it fits this topic very well...maybe not funny...but ironic that it was posted either way

[link=http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/roman_populace_constantly]http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/roman_populace_constantly[/link]

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mrmike527
Alando=Amazing wrote:


If you are going to argue that Tiger Woods isn't as athletic as the majority of NFL quarterbacks you are the one being idiotic. I guarantee Peyton's bench or 40 time is no where near being "a good deal better" than Woods. Tiger Woods bench max is reportedly around 320 btw.

And you use Vick and Jamarcus as your "other" NFL QBs?? LOL because they are average [] Since when did anyone think Vick was "tiny" by the way?

Also, this is why I put "fit" in parenthesis. You cannot use "fit" to talk about this subject. That was my point. At least the way in which I think about fit.


So we've completely buried any notion that a golfer would be more athletic than an Offensive Lineman. Now we'll tackle QB.

Mike Vick is tiny for an NFL QB. Its not what "anyone thinks," it is what it is. He is the absolute minimum height considered viable to play QB (6'0) and weighs 215. Can you name a smaller QB that has started significant time this decade that is significantly smaller than that? Aaron Rodgers would be around average, he's ten pounds heavier and two inches taller. Actually, every QB in the NFC North is two inches taller and about 10 pounds heavier. Peyton Manning is 5 inches taller and 15 pounds heavier. Tom Brady is 4 inches taller and ten pounds heavier. Mike Vick is definitely a small QB.

I will let you pick your choice as a prominent, out of shape QB. Jamarcus Russell would have been my pick. Most of these guys are extremely fast and extremely strong by most standards. Are you really going to tell me Tiger Woods is going to run a sub-4.7 and beat Peyton Manning in a race? Is he going to beat Peyton Manning in a fight giving up 40 pounds and 4 inches? Do you really think he's stronger than Peyton Manning--again, despite being 40 pounds and 4 inches smaller?

Pick your QB that you want to compare to Tiger. Almost all of them are phenomenal athletes. Hell, even Brad Johnson was Mr. Basketball in high school. When NFL players retire, they play golf.
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LLegend4eva_old
Athletic ability is so overrated, by athletic ability I mean measurements of movement (40 time, vertical, etc.). There's so many guys who are athletic freaks but yet don't have the noggin and mental toughness to COMPETE, i'll say that again COMPETE. It's far more impressive to have a great mind to compete because it's more accessible to the common man.
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alandoamazing
Mr_mike527 wrote:


Alando=Amazing wrote:


If you are going to argue that Tiger Woods isn't as athletic as the majority of NFL quarterbacks you are the one being idiotic. I guarantee Peyton's bench or 40 time is no where near being "a good deal better" than Woods. Tiger Woods bench max is reportedly around 320 btw.

And you use Vick and Jamarcus as your "other" NFL QBs?? LOL because they are average [] Since when did anyone think Vick was "tiny" by the way?

Also, this is why I put "fit" in parenthesis. You cannot use "fit" to talk about this subject. That was my point. At least the way in which I think about fit.


So we've completely buried any notion that a golfer would be more athletic than an Offensive Lineman. Now we'll tackle QB.

Mike Vick is tiny for an NFL QB. Its not what "anyone thinks," it is what it is. He is the absolute minimum height considered viable to play QB (6'0) and weighs 215. Can you name a smaller QB that has started significant time this decade that is significantly smaller than that? Aaron Rodgers would be around average, he's ten pounds heavier and two inches taller. Actually, every QB in the NFC North is two inches taller and about 10 pounds heavier. Peyton Manning is 5 inches taller and 15 pounds heavier. Tom Brady is 4 inches taller and ten pounds heavier. Mike Vick is definitely a small QB.

I will let you pick your choice as a prominent, out of shape QB. Jamarcus Russell would have been my pick. Most of these guys are extremely fast and extremely strong by most standards. Are you really going to tell me Tiger Woods is going to run a sub-4.7 and beat Peyton Manning in a race? Is he going to beat Peyton Manning in a fight giving up 40 pounds and 4 inches? Do you really think he's stronger than Peyton Manning--again, despite being 40 pounds and 4 inches smaller?

Pick your QB that you want to compare to Tiger. Almost all of them are phenomenal athletes. Hell, even Brad Johnson was Mr. Basketball in high school. When NFL players retire, they play golf.


Drew Brees is about the same size as Vick I'd imagine, if not smaller. He's been pretty successful imo. How tall was Flutie btw? 5'9"? I'm still not understanding why this matters. So, tell me again what being 6'5" and 240 has to do with being an athlete???

My point was not to say that NFL QBs are not athletes. In fact, I never said anything like that. My point is that there is no way you can prove to me that NFL quarterbacks are anymore of an athlete than Tiger Woods.

I would bet you a lot of money Tiger Woods bench is bigger than Tom Brady's. My point is, you cannot call the majority of NFL QBs athletes if you tell me Tiger Woods is not an athlete. You just cannot. You will never convince me Tom Brady is more of an athlete than Tiger Woods. Tom Brady is arguably the most successful QB of the decade and he can't bench 300 and he ran the 40 in like 5.2. I would be willing to bet he hasn't gotten any faster either. Again, if you are telling me that he is more of an athlete than Tiger, you are being stupid.


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swing11_old
Has Tiger's 40 ever been timed?
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alandoamazing
swing11 wrote:


Has Tiger's 40 ever been timed?


He ran a 4.38 in the combine.


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mrmike527
Alando=Amazing wrote:


Mr_mike527 wrote:


Alando=Amazing wrote:


If you are going to argue that Tiger Woods isn't as athletic as the majority of NFL quarterbacks you are the one being idiotic. I guarantee Peyton's bench or 40 time is no where near being "a good deal better" than Woods. Tiger Woods bench max is reportedly around 320 btw.

And you use Vick and Jamarcus as your "other" NFL QBs?? LOL because they are average [] Since when did anyone think Vick was "tiny" by the way?

Also, this is why I put "fit" in parenthesis. You cannot use "fit" to talk about this subject. That was my point. At least the way in which I think about fit.


So we've completely buried any notion that a golfer would be more athletic than an Offensive Lineman. Now we'll tackle QB.

Mike Vick is tiny for an NFL QB. Its not what "anyone thinks," it is what it is. He is the absolute minimum height considered viable to play QB (6'0) and weighs 215. Can you name a smaller QB that has started significant time this decade that is significantly smaller than that? Aaron Rodgers would be around average, he's ten pounds heavier and two inches taller. Actually, every QB in the NFC North is two inches taller and about 10 pounds heavier. Peyton Manning is 5 inches taller and 15 pounds heavier. Tom Brady is 4 inches taller and ten pounds heavier. Mike Vick is definitely a small QB.

I will let you pick your choice as a prominent, out of shape QB. Jamarcus Russell would have been my pick. Most of these guys are extremely fast and extremely strong by most standards. Are you really going to tell me Tiger Woods is going to run a sub-4.7 and beat Peyton Manning in a race? Is he going to beat Peyton Manning in a fight giving up 40 pounds and 4 inches? Do you really think he's stronger than Peyton Manning--again, despite being 40 pounds and 4 inches smaller?

Pick your QB that you want to compare to Tiger. Almost all of them are phenomenal athletes. Hell, even Brad Johnson was Mr. Basketball in high school. When NFL players retire, they play golf.


Drew Brees is about the same size as Vick I'd imagine, if not smaller. He's been pretty successful imo. How tall was Flutie btw? 5'9"? I'm still not understanding why this matters. So, tell me again what being 6'5" and 240 has to do with being an athlete???

My point was not to say that NFL QBs are not athletes. In fact, I never said anything like that. My point is that there is no way you can prove to me that NFL quarterbacks are anymore of an athlete than Tiger Woods.

I would bet you a lot of money Tiger Woods bench is bigger than Tom Brady's. My point is, you cannot call the majority of NFL QBs athletes if you tell me Tiger Woods is not an athlete. You just cannot. You will never convince me Tom Brady is more of an athlete than Tiger Woods. Tom Brady is arguably the most successful QB of the decade and he can't bench 300 and he ran the 40 in like 5.2. I would be willing to bet he hasn't gotten any faster either. Again, if you are telling me that he is more of an athlete than Tiger, you are being stupid.


You're right, Drew Brees is tiny too. The point is that Vick is small for a NFL QB, and he's benching a lot. And you disagreed that Vick was tiny--by NFL QB standards, 6'0 is tiny. Troy Smith fell three extra rounds in the draft because he was 5'11.

I think they're both athletes, but my god, are you seriously arguing that Tiger Woods is more of an athlete than NFL QBs? Brady did run a 5.22 at the Combine, but it was likely just a poor time, because he ran a 4.99 at his Pro Day at Michigan.

I don't understand the idea that Tiger is a equal athlete with Brady. Do you really think Tiger could survive at QB? I don't mean he would have to play like Brady, but do you think you could stick Tiger in the pocket and have him survive a couple sacks and a handful of hits from NFL players per game? On the other hand, do you think Brady could play 18 holes of golf?

Tiger is in shape. But he's an athlete of your average guy you meet on the street and say "Wow, he's ripped!" Brady is an athlete on the level of he went through an NFL training camp, passed NFL-caliber conditioning tests, gets pounded on every week, and plays a sport that constantly forces him to run for his life. And its not like all that Brady can do is stand in the pocket and throw. He's a good athlete. He was drafted into the Pros as a Catcher, as well.

I'm not saying Woods isn't an athlete. But its a much different order to go play a few rounds of golf than to go play a football game, at any position other than Kicker or Punter.
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mredd22
I've been suckered into this kind of argument way to many times. Basically whether you like it or not pretty much any relatively physical activity can be considered a sport and pretty much anyone an athlete. I don't like it but that's the way it is. Freaking walking is in the Olympics and people consider driving and turning left or right or whatever way it is a sport.

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