gstacy
Hopkins is currently ranked #1 in Minnesota 4A, the largest division and LAX is ranked #1 in WI Division 4. Does tiny LAX Aquinas stand a chance playing away in this David vs Goliath matchup?
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db11
There's always a chance in girls' basketball, though I'd be inclined to favor the bigger school.
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eaglepride1
"tiny" Aquinas! Too funny. LaCrosse is a city with two public HS's, with Aquinas often getting the best of the best. They draw kids in from nearly 70 miles away, gimme a break on the "small school" stuff. That's hilarious.
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blade12
It's not a small vs large thing any longer. It's "have" vs "have not" and that designation can change with the hiring of a new coach, the attendance of 1 special player, the recruitment of 1 or more good players, or other unknown and unforeseen factors. 
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bullseye
It is certainly a combination of the two:  size to pull players from certainly is a huge factor in recruitment.  Look at the small rural schools and see if they can get player X to drive 70 miles of country roads in the winter to play basketball for them...not going to happen. The pool of potential athletes to be recruited is certainly larger in Aquinas and then you throw in the fact that they play in a conference full of division 2  teams and you get the recipe for a mini dynasty.   

With all of that said, I hope Hopkins scores 100 on them and runs up the score as Aquinas does to other teams in most of their games.     
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gstacy
100 points on them. lol. Marshall gave them a good game for a while. they seemed to tire in the second half otherwise it could have been much closer. Aquinas is not the juggernaut monster you make them out to be. they can be had.
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eaglepride1
Bullseye is right on, all the way through the comment above. Sure, Aquinas can be had...by Beaver Dam. Probably a few D1's in WI. They have that "mini-dynasty" -- you notice that those CFC girls didn't decide to go to Mel-Min to add to their group (about equidistant from CFC, by the way). 🙂
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blade12
eaglepride1 wrote:
Bullseye is right on, all the way through the comment above. Sure, Aquinas can be had...by Beaver Dam. Probably a few D1's in WI. They have that "mini-dynasty" -- you notice that those CFC girls didn't decide to go to Mel-Min to add to their group (about equidistant from CFC, by the way). 🙂


So what does Aquinas "have" that Mel-Min or other schools don't?  Coach? Another good player? Academics? Safety? Friendships? Exposure in a larger market?
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eaglepride1
Blade - La Crosse is a college town, Melrose and Mindoro are tiny towns with about 600 people population, tops. The HS, while very nice, is in the country. Aquinas sits near the LaCrosse YMCA, on a street where the parents/kids have several restaurant options on the way home. They're 2 miles from a Mall, 1 mile from downtown La Crosse, 1/2 mile from UW-LaCrosse. The advantages are plentiful. I'm not saying that it's a bad decision for them to send a kid there, just making the point that it is not "equal playing field" when a La Crosse Aquinas is in the same division as Melrose-Mindoro. I just wish we had the guts at the WIAA level to have the private schools either play among their own schools or put them in the division that is logical based on measures such as what I've spelled out above. No private school in a town like LaCrosse or Eau Claire should be below Division 2 in any sport.
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bullseye
Very well said eaglepride1!  Couldn't agree more.
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yzerman1
bullseye wrote:
It is certainly a combination of the two:  size to pull players from certainly is a huge factor in recruitment.  Look at the small rural schools and see if they can get player X to drive 70 miles of country roads in the winter to play basketball for them...not going to happen. The pool of potential athletes to be recruited is certainly larger in Aquinas and then you throw in the fact that they play in a conference full of division 2  teams and you get the recipe for a mini dynasty.   

With all of that said, I hope Hopkins scores 100 on them and runs up the score as Aquinas does to other teams in most of their games.     


Private schools began playing in the WIAA basketball tournament with the 2000-01 school year.  The last two years, 2017 and 2018, are te only two years that the Aquinas girls have ever made the state tournament.  I would hardly call that a mini dynasty.  At the lower levels one really outstanding player really influences team success.  Aquinas has that outstanding player right now and they are going to be successful.  John Wall used to post on here that it was about coaches and programs that determine success.  I truly believe that.  There is definitely an advantage from being in a large city or close to a large city and that exists for both public and private schools.  Everything in life isn't fair, there is always going to be some school with better resources and facilities than the next school.
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eaglepride1
You're right. Life's not fair. But in education, for kids, to the best of our ability, I'd argue that we should have a competitive playing field that is relatively level. Or, as level as we can make, if we're going to have divisions, etc. That's just what I think, I understand if you feel otherwise. I'm just saying that a place like Aquinas has a much better chance at having an outstanding team again over the next ten years, versus Melrose-Mindoro. Kids will go to Aquinas because of the change/mini-dynasty (I'd argue it is) that has developed. People are not going to flock to Mel-Min because of them currently having 5 of the best players around (and two D1 level players) in their program. Nothing against Melrose or Mindoro, I've been to both, and think they're great. It's just the nature of being a rural school like theirs. Whereas a strong player in youth basketball around LaCrosse (or as we've learned Cochrane or Fountain City) will definitlely be more apt to switch to Aquinas for 7-8 grade and into HS. It's just the truth. 
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eaglepride1
Just saying that you're not getting two kids like the CFC kids (I hear there's more this year) transferring to Gilmanton, Mel-Min, or AC Lincoln, like they went to Aquinas. You may have a move here or there, but not several. People aren't uprooting and moving to Alma Center, and they sure as heck aren't going to drive their kid there 65-70 miles one way. So, while a player and/or coach can "create" a program or a mini-dynasty anywhere, it's not happening with any kind of sustainability at small schools in small towns. Aquinas kids have all the advantages of a Logan or Central kid, and typically much more of an advantage. I'm well aware that the "student population is small" at Aquinas. That's like saying that when the Bollettieri Academy sprang up and had Courier, Agassi, etc. (but only 150-200 kids), they would play in the same state tennis tournament as a town the size of Bangor, New Lisbon, or AC Lincoln! C'mon, Man. 🙂
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blade12
eaglepride1 wrote:
Just saying that you're not getting two kids like the CFC kids (I hear there's more this year) transferring to Gilmanton, Mel-Min, or AC Lincoln, like they went to Aquinas. You may have a move here or there, but not several. People aren't uprooting and moving to Alma Center, and they sure as heck aren't going to drive their kid there 65-70 miles one way. So, while a player and/or coach can "create" a program or a mini-dynasty anywhere, it's not happening with any kind of sustainability at small schools in small towns. Aquinas kids have all the advantages of a Logan or Central kid, and typically much more of an advantage. I'm well aware that the "student population is small" at Aquinas. That's like saying that when the Bollettieri Academy sprang up and had Courier, Agassi, etc. (but only 150-200 kids), they would play in the same state tennis tournament as a town the size of Bangor, New Lisbon, or AC Lincoln! C'mon, Man. 🙂


Is it sustainable at Aquinas or whatever other small private in an urban area you wish to cite as an example? It's been pointed out that Aquinas has never been to WIAA State until recent times.  Let's see what happens after some graduations in a few years. Dominican used to be the poster child for this, have they sustained it? What about Randolph or was it St. Randolph?  

I say be very careful about any attempt to  "level the playing field." Don't punish success and don't ask anyone to lower their standards so others can catch or keep up.
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yzerman1
The Cuba City girls and Barnevald girls teams have both enjoyed long periods of continued success through different variations of their teams.  It's not easy, but those two teams are proof that it can happen.
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