alandoamazing
Tells it like it is.

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hoopsgalore
- UMass gets their tournament run vacated because Marcus Camby accepted money & gifts from an agent.
- Derrick Rose has someone take the SAT for him and Memphis is forced to vacate their entire 2007-2008 season.

Those are the two 'problems' that people associate with Calipari. To an extent, you're able to monitor players. As a coach, you should not have to babysit your recruit to make sure it's actually him taking the SAT. As a coach, you can preach to your kids to avoid speaking with agents; you can't dig through their apartment or cell phones to see who has been contacting them.
In my opinion, it's the immaturity of these stars that are willing to put their teammates and coach on the line by pulling stunts like this. And you know what? Those players don't face any consequences. By the time any possible consequences arise, they're off making millions while the work of their former teammates has been taken from them. How has Derrick Rose suffered from being accused of not taking the SAT? He hasn't! It's been Calipari taking the heat for both of these incidents at these Universities.

This is just my mini-rant. In essence, I don't agree with Coach Knight, either.
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alandoamazing
Callipari turned a blind eye to these things. I do not doubt one bit that he knew stuff like this was going on with his players. We'll see what happens in Kentucky, but stuff seems to be following him around. Coincidence? Highly unlikely.
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hoopsgalore
Until something is directly linked to him, I think it's pretty unfair for Knight to throw Calipari under the bus like that. I commend Calipari for not getting in a war of words.

Sure, Calipari has been at two schools where there have been a couple of bumps in the road with his star player. However, when you have a star like that (whom is projected to be drafted #1 and in both cases, Camby and Rose were #1), there will be a lot of temptation on the player's part. Those two took the wrong road and I'm not going to buy into blaming Calipari until something is directly linked to him.
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alandoamazing
hoopsgalore wrote:


Until something is directly linked to him, I think it's pretty unfair for Knight to throw Calipari under the bus like that. I commend Calipari for not getting in a war of words.

Sure, Calipari has been at two schools where there have been a couple of bumps in the road with his star player. However, when you have a star like that (whom is projected to be drafted #1 and in both cases, Camby and Rose were #1), there will be a lot of temptation on the player's part. Those two took the wrong road and I'm not going to buy into blaming Calipari until something is directly linked to him.



Fair enough.

I still think it is a mighty big coincidence.
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BadgerBall35_old
I agree that it is the athletes fault and that the coaches shouldnt have to babysit them but at the same time, the coach becomes responsible at some point. Theres a reason you keep hearing the same names coming up in regards to violations (i.e.-Lane Kiffin, Calipari, Bobby Bowden). I realize that a guy like Bowden doesnt exactly recruit "model" guys in terms of character issues but knowing that, he could do things to easily avoid the conflicts that come up, say recruit guys without "character issues". Just curious, did anyone else see the OTL report that aired last week about this same issue? It covered the FSU football program and the academic "standards" or lack there of, at FSU.
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travis12
I imagine this was Calipari's reaction every time the Final Four's were vacated:

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hoopsgalore wrote:


boryan4mvp wrote:


hoopsgalore wrote:


Until something is directly linked to him, I think it's pretty unfair for Knight to throw Calipari under the bus like that. I commend Calipari for not getting in a war of words.

Sure, Calipari has been at two schools where there have been a couple of bumps in the road with his star player. However, when you have a star like that (whom is projected to be drafted #1 and in both cases, Camby and Rose were #1), there will be a lot of temptation on the player's part. Those two took the wrong road and I'm not going to buy into blaming Calipari until something is directly linked to him.


That's a pretty casual statement. If by bumps in the road you mean vacating wins and a NCAA Championship game appearance. There is no evidence linking Calipari directly but you don't see these things happening often at other programs and for it to happen twice to the same coach is a little disconerting to say the least. Sometimes where there's smoke, there is fire.


You should also take into account who the two players are. Both were projected to be #1 and that's where they were drafted. When those types of expectations are put upon a player, there will be a lot of temptation to do wrong to better your future. It's hard for ANY coach to have to control a player of that caliber. There are so many people surrounding that young man that the odds of him slipping up somewhere are pretty high. Hasn't just happened in basketball; it's happened with Reggie Bush, etc. I still cannot put the blame on Calipari until he is linked to something directly. Right now, he's just taking the blame for something he shouldn't have to babysit his players over.

I think I'm just repeating myself, so I'm pretty done with this subject now that you guys know my stance, haha.



It's too bad coaches can't really go forward and say things about other coaches without being shunned from the profession. I know some things about Calipari that would put him out of the college basketball game for the rest of his life.
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boryan4mvp
hoopsgalore wrote:


Until something is directly linked to him, I think it's pretty unfair for Knight to throw Calipari under the bus like that. I commend Calipari for not getting in a war of words.

Sure, Calipari has been at two schools where there have been a couple of bumps in the road with his star player. However, when you have a star like that (whom is projected to be drafted #1 and in both cases, Camby and Rose were #1), there will be a lot of temptation on the player's part. Those two took the wrong road and I'm not going to buy into blaming Calipari until something is directly linked to him.


That's a pretty casual statement. If by bumps in the road you mean vacating wins and a NCAA Championship game appearance. There is no evidence linking Calipari directly but you don't see these things happening often at other programs and for it to happen twice to the same coach is a little disconerting to say the least. Sometimes where there's smoke, there is fire.
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hoopsgalore
boryan4mvp wrote:


hoopsgalore wrote:


Until something is directly linked to him, I think it's pretty unfair for Knight to throw Calipari under the bus like that. I commend Calipari for not getting in a war of words.

Sure, Calipari has been at two schools where there have been a couple of bumps in the road with his star player. However, when you have a star like that (whom is projected to be drafted #1 and in both cases, Camby and Rose were #1), there will be a lot of temptation on the player's part. Those two took the wrong road and I'm not going to buy into blaming Calipari until something is directly linked to him.


That's a pretty casual statement. If by bumps in the road you mean vacating wins and a NCAA Championship game appearance. There is no evidence linking Calipari directly but you don't see these things happening often at other programs and for it to happen twice to the same coach is a little disconerting to say the least. Sometimes where there's smoke, there is fire.


You should also take into account who the two players are. Both were projected to be #1 and that's where they were drafted. When those types of expectations are put upon a player, there will be a lot of temptation to do wrong to better your future. It's hard for ANY coach to have to control a player of that caliber. There are so many people surrounding that young man that the odds of him slipping up somewhere are pretty high. Hasn't just happened in basketball; it's happened with Reggie Bush, etc. I still cannot put the blame on Calipari until he is linked to something directly. Right now, he's just taking the blame for something he shouldn't have to babysit his players over.

I think I'm just repeating myself, so I'm pretty done with this subject now that you guys know my stance, haha.

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kenny78
This kind of thing will continue to happen until coaches and universities refuse to recruit players with questionable character. Their character generally doesn't get better once they are away at college, since the new-found freedom usually results in making their choices worse. The story on FSU football players was outrageous. An IQ of 60 - that's not the kind of student that should be going to college. No matter what the general public thinks, college is not for everyone.

People can vilify Bob Knight all they want about his behavior but the bottom line is he did not put up with any crap from players or parents. It was his way or the highway. He is a pretty good judge of character and did not mess around with players who may turn out to be headaches later.
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