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GOMU11 wrote:


Brew City Legend wrote:


Most anyone who knows me understands how little I like Hardy. To me, he is the shortstop version of Geoff Jenkins. Fans guy, good but not specatular defense, streaky streaky streaky hitting...

I've said this since last year, and I remain 100% behind this statement: The Brewers are absolutely no worse at shortstop overall with Escobar than they are with Hardy. In fact, they might be even better.

If Melvin can get Bucholz for Hardy, that is a steal and he should jump on it immediately.


How do you know? Are you a scout? Are you in the front office?

If the people that actually mattered thought that way, Escobar would be the SS.


It was just an opinion man.

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indians23_old
I can't believe this thread has become 3 pages.....it's just a rumor that is highly unlikely.
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db11
BCL also once went on record as saying Hardy would never hit 25 home runs in a season too...[8D]
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Hardy can't be traded. ?JJ brings in a great sector of fans. ?12-26 year old girls?[] ?Thats the only reason we go to the games isn't it?? ?To watch these amazingly attractive girls prance around in their short shorts and Hardy jerseys..then they stand up and cheer right in front of you when their up. ?Isn't that why?? ?Don't go JJ, don't go!! ?(All this is a joke by the way..even though we all look at these girls)

In all seriousness though i don't think i would like to say this trade happen. ?But it is all just a RUMOR so i don't see it happening anyway. ?Proven, All-star shortstop for an unproven pitcher. ?I wouldn't do it. ?I guess thats why Im at home watching the games though and not in the big fancy suits wearing a tie.
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pinetar
you could throw on a suit and tie and watch the game...it's not much different...in fact I'd say its a bit more uncomfortable
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bleu cheese_old
Pinetar wrote:


you could throw on a suit and tie and watch the game...it's not much different...in fact I'd say its a bit more uncomfortable



I gave it a whirl during the 9th inning. ?After Trevor blew the save i promised myself i will never wear a suit again.
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pinetar
bleu cheese wrote:


Pinetar wrote:


you could throw on a suit and tie and watch the game...it's not much different...in fact I'd say its a bit more uncomfortable



I gave it a whirl during the 9th inning. After Trevor blew the save i promised myself i will never wear a suit again.


this means you have to beat up anyone you see at a game wearing one...it's a sign
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brewcitylegend
DB wrote:


BCL also once went on record as saying Hardy would never hit 25 home runs in a season too...[8D]


BCL also went on record saying that the Brewers would never make the postseason with Ned Yost at the helm - and that Derrick Turnbow was nothing but a nutcase who had one good calendar year and shouldn't have been taken seriously. He took a lot of crap from that didn't he?

I still stand by my Escobar comment. Hardy is just the infield version of Branyan/Jenkins. Will get hot for a week or two, sometimes a month, but be shutdown and a non-factor for 3/4 of the season. He is as inconsistent as he can get with the stick. That and I've never really been a huge fan of his defense. He makes the plays that he's suppose to, but never none of the rest. Escobar (according to a flurry of scouts) can make those plays too.
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travis12
Brew City Legend wrote:


DB wrote:


BCL also once went on record as saying Hardy would never hit 25 home runs in a season too...[8D]


BCL also went on record saying that the Brewers would never make the postseason with Ned Yost at the helm - and that Derrick Turnbow was nothing but a nutcase who had one good calendar year and shouldn't have been taken seriously. He took a lot of crap from that didn't he?

I still stand by my Escobar comment. Hardy is just the infield version of Branyan/Jenkins. Will get hot for a week or two, sometimes a month, but be shutdown and a non-factor for 3/4 of the season. He is as inconsistent as he can get with the stick. That and I've never really been a huge fan of his defense. He makes the plays that he's suppose to, but never none of the rest. Escobar (according to a flurry of scouts) can make those plays too.


J.J. Hardy:

[link=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?sort=OPS&split=0&league=nl&season=2007&seasonType=2&type=reg&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&minpa=0&hand=a&pos=ss]In 2007-[/link]
6th in NL in OPS by shortstops.
[link=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?sort=OPS&split=0&league=nl&season=2008&seasonType=2&type=reg&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&minpa=0&hand=a&pos=ss]In 2008[/link]-4th in NL in OPS by shortstops; led all NL shortstops in RBI's, second in home runs

Only shortstop in NL with over 70 RBI's both years, one of just two shortstops in that time (along with Hanley Ramirez) with over 20 home runs both years.

In 2008 was [link=http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbible/2008-plus-minus-leaders.asp]ranked third in the majors in John Dewan/Bill James' Plus/Minus[/link] defensive leaders. In the time period from 2006-08 he is [link=http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbible/2006-2008-plus-minus-leaders.asp]5th overall in the majors in Plus/Minus[/link] ranking.

Yes J.J. is a streaky hitter, but it isn't like he's only good for a month and terrible the rest of the time. His batting average splits last year were as follows:

April--.244
May--.264
June--.310
July--.339
August--.294
September--.255
Oh, and October: .429

And here's the point you're missing about your Branyan/Jenkins comparison, if you take those guys' numbers and put them at the premium defensive position, they are much more impressive. Add in the fact that J.J. plays very good defense and he is easily a top tier shortstop.

If you are ranking major league shortstops, where do you put J.J.? Personally, I'd have him on the cusp of Top Five.
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bleu cheese_old
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Waylon Jennings_old
If Hardy is traded are people ready for the transition period that will happen with Escobar? I am not a fan of trading your starting shortstop in favor of a prospect who has never had legit playing in the majors, especially when you're going to be in a playoff race come the end of the year. Escobar is not going to come up and tear the cover off the ball like Braun did, and he may make some flashy plays in the in the infield but not to make up for his struggles at the plate. Plus I do not know what the Brewer's clubhouse is like exactly, but I would be cautious about taking a guy like Hardy out of the mix.
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jtownsupporter
Good point about the clubhouse.
But...defensively escobar is ready and most likely wouldn't have problems. hitting couldn't be worse in terms of streakyness of hardy
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swing11_old
Move JJ to third and Escobar to short if you please. Simple as that. If it was up to me I'd put Escobar at second and keep JJ at short, right where he belongs. Whoever said JJ isn't spectacular at short is nuts. Only three errors in 57 games for a .988 fielding %? JJ was never made out to a be a great hitter coming up through the minors, which is why the last couple years have been a pleasant surprise. From what I've read, Escobar will make the flashy plays but will make his fair share of errors too. Management will do whatever they think gives the Brewers the best chance to advance to the postseason, and apparently it's keeping JJ at short.
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nj1554
I think most people would like to see a situation where Hardy and Escobar are playing in Milwaukee but I dont think there is any way that would work out. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think at some point in the last 6 months Hardy came out and said he wouldnt move away from short at anytime in the near future. Also, I think Escobar's experiment in Nashville at second didnt work out too well and that is why they moved him back to short. Eventually I think its going to have to be Hardy or Escobar and not both.
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