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Yet the bands from those eras are still selling millions of records a year.

Obviously there are a lot of people who think it's great, and not bland, and would still take it over the majority of crap that is coming out today. The bands back then (For the most part) had direction in their songs. They didn't sound like some band just sitting down and seeing what they could come up with (like DMB.) That is the main reason why I don't like DMB, besides DMB's radical left politcal beliefs.

I agree, Journey isn't that great. After Perry left, the band isn't the same. I don't care what anyone says, that little asian guy cant quite cut it. Their stuff with Perry was pretty good though.
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Rodey wrote:


I agree that the 70's and 80's primarily don't bring much to the table in musical terms. Those were two decades that we far from spectacular. A lot of people like to reminisce in 80's music and talk about how amazing Journey was, but in reality, they weren't anything great. The 70's and especially the 80's were pretty bland era's in terms of music.

Almost true... Michael Jackson dominated the 80's.
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warriorparent
GTGF08 wrote:

Rodey wrote:

I agree that the 70's and 80's primarily don't bring much to the table in musical terms. Those were two decades that we far from spectacular. A lot of people like to reminisce in 80's music and talk about how amazing Journey was, but in reality, they weren't anything great. The 70's and especially the 80's were pretty bland era's in terms of music.

Almost true... Michael Jackson dominated the 80's.


I tried my best to stay out of the musical conversations since my opinions and tastes are different than a lot of yours, music is a subjective thing (obviously if anybody is trying to argue EVH and Mayer being "greatest" guitars players) but I had to jump in for these last few comments. PLEASE don't paint the 70's in with the 80's for music, for the most part I can agree that the 80's were pretty terrible, but the 70's? Don't let the disco crap fool you, the 70's produced some of the GREATEST performances and rise of great bands in rock history. Here are some I came up with quick, and these are just the big hitters there were TONS of bands making good music in the 70's.
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon 1973
Animals 1977
The Wall 1979
Led Zep - III 1970
IV 1971
Houses of the Holy 1973
In Through the Out Door 1979
Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers 1971
Exile on Main St. 1972
Goats Head Soup 1973
Some Girls 1978
The Who - Live @ Leeds 1970
Quadrophenia 1973
Who Are You? 1978
Grateful Dead - Wake of the Flood 1973
Blues for Allah 1975
Shakedown Street 1978
The Doors - Morrison Hotel 1970
LA Woman 1971
The Band - Stagefright 1970
Last Waltz 1978
Bob Dylan - Self Portrait & New Morning 1970
Blood on the Tracks 1975
Jethro Tull - Aqualung 1971
Thick as a Brick 1972
Minstrel in the Gallery 1975
Allman Brothers -Eat a Peach 1972
Van Halen - Van HAlen 1978
Van Halen II 1979
Black Sabbath - Paranoid 1970

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Dkelly wrote:

If Huey Lewis and Def Leppard are trash, then Lil' Wayne, Lady Gaga, Amy Winehouse, Kanye, etc. are off the freaking charts trash.


100% percent agree, off the charts trash, like not even in the same ballpark of trash!

I am shocked by the bands that were decided to counter my knock on the 80's, I would have accepted the Traveling Wilburys, Tom Petty solo, Talking Heads, Rush, or hell Michael Jackson, Prince or many more. But I have to say I am a little surprised by the choices of Def Leppard and Huey Lewis, although I will say you made a correct comment just about the wrong one of those bands. Of the 2 Huey albums everyone in that era did not own them that is false, now had you said that about Def Lappard you would have been correct. Everyone owned Hysteria, at least almost everyone I knew. Doesn't mean though that I think they were/are good musicians or influential on a decade of music.

Like I said before though music is something that everyone has differing opinions on obviously. I would be interested to hear though your opinions on who was influenced by the stylings of Def Leppard and Huey Lewis.
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warriorparent
Rodey wrote:

Hoopster is right, DMB really isn't even a jam band.


Well in my opinion as a fan of jambands, DMB is not a jamband. But to people who don't like that kind of music they will probably lump DMB into that group, although some in the jamband community have a problem with DMB even being considered in that group I for one don't. To me that is my favorite thing about music, I don't want to go to concert and hear all the songs sung and played note for note off of the Cd, show me something, show me why I should leave here thinking you are a great guitarist, drummer, etc...



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WarriorParent wrote:

Well in my opinion as a fan of jambands, DMB is not a jamband. But to people who don't like that kind of music they will probably lump DMB into that group, although some in the jamband community have a problem with DMB even being considered in that group I for one don't. To me that is my favorite thing about music, I don't want to go to concert and hear all the songs sung and played note for note off of the Cd, show me something, show me why I should leave here thinking you are a great guitarist, drummer, etc...


I mean, they kind of fit into the category, but they really aren't a jam band. DMB writes songs, jam bands like Phish write jams. That's why I've never really particularly cared for Phish's music. The songwriting is almost non-existent.

DMB writes songs and has set areas during the songs that allow members to go off and solo, etc instead of having lyrics written around a bunch of jamming. Which is why I still don't understand WR_88's assessment of their music not having any direction.

DKelly28 wrote:

If Huey Lewis and Def Leppard are trash, then Lil' Wayne, Lady Gaga, Amy Winehouse, Kanye, etc. are off the freaking charts trash.


While I don't like Lady Gaga or Amy Winehouse and I'm not a huge fan of Kanye, they're all pretty talented. There's videos on YouTube of Lady Gaga performing before she hit it big and didn't have the wild, over-the-top act and she's actually pretty talented. The same can be said for Amy Winehouse and Kanye. It's just the way the music industry is these days and I can't fault some of these artists for "selling out" and making mediocre/bad music. If you were to sit here and tell me that you would turn down millions of dollars and a big record contract in order to make the music you want and make lousy money, I'd call you a liar. If I were presented with that opportunity, of course I would sell out and make what the studio wanted. That's a smart financial decision. Lets see, sell out for a couple albums and make a boat load or money or stay poor? Easy decision. There's no reason why you can't go back to making the music you want after you meet the record labels requirements.



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WarriorParent wrote:


Rodey wrote:

Hoopster is right, DMB really isn't even a jam band.


Well in my opinion as a fan of jambands, DMB is not a jamband. But to people who don't like that kind of music they will probably lump DMB into that group, although some in the jamband community have a problem with DMB even being considered in that group I for one don't. To me that is my favorite thing about music, I don't want to go to concert and hear all the songs sung and played note for note off of the Cd, show me something, show me why I should leave here thinking you are a great guitarist, drummer, etc...





Did you ever see the Allman Brothers?
They jam.

And when you leave you are pretty sure you just saw a GREAT guitarist.
(I got to see Duane Allman, Dickey Betts, Butch Trucks & Derek Trucks, each can play)

Also, if anyone remembers a band called Traffic, a great jam band even on their recordings.

rk
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Rodey, I agree on the sell-out mentality, I would take the money and produce crap too your right! I should have rephrased what I was saying I think their music is bad not them as people, I'm not calling them sell outs or saying they shouldn't do their music just not my cup of tea. Judging from your comments it sounds like you think even they themselves aren't necessarily making the music they love either, that's fine it's job to them. More power to them, they're selling records and making money I can't fault them for that. As far as music though I'll stand by that it's not my thing.

As far as your Phish comments I couldn't disagree more, they write/compose songs more intensely than a band like DMB does, I don't think any of their songs are just written around a "jam." They do have jam songs such as You Enjoy Myself, Antelope, Piper, that are compositions. If you listen to all those songs have composed sections that are played by each instrument everytime section by section, one section of a song may have more leeway for improvisation but it is still a structured song beginning to end. These type of songs comprise maybe 5% of the Phish library, otherwise the rest are just your standard multiple verse, chorus, chord progressions songs just like every other band. I will agree however that at times they go a litte overboard in live shows with songs, I love to hear a good jam but I don't want to hear a 25+ minute version of a song, that isn't too common but it does happen. No different really than DMB, simple chord progression song, when it's time for some jamming one of them steps up plays their thing and back to the song.
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road kill wrote:

Did you ever see the Allman Brothers?
They jam.

And when you leave you are pretty sure you just saw a GREAT guitarist.
(I got to see Duane Allman, Dickey Betts, Butch Trucks & Derek Trucks, each can play)

Also, if anyone remembers a band called Traffic, a great jam band even on their recordings.

rk

RK to save the day, now we're talking!!! I do enjoy the bros, never got the chance to see Duane though. Now in recent years they've added Warren Haynes to the mix too (along with a stint with Jimmy Herring) with Derek and Warren they still tout 2 outstanding guitarists!

Traffic! Preach on RK! Where were you yesterday when I was defending the 70's?
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road kill wrote:


WarriorParent wrote:


Rodey wrote:

Hoopster is right, DMB really isn't even a jam band.


Well in my opinion as a fan of jambands, DMB is not a jamband. But to people who don't like that kind of music they will probably lump DMB into that group, although some in the jamband community have a problem with DMB even being considered in that group I for one don't. To me that is my favorite thing about music, I don't want to go to concert and hear all the songs sung and played note for note off of the Cd, show me something, show me why I should leave here thinking you are a great guitarist, drummer, etc...





Did you ever see the Allman Brothers?
They jam.

And when you leave you are pretty sure you just saw a GREAT guitarist.
(I got to see Duane Allman, Dickey Betts, Butch Trucks & Derek Trucks, each can play)

Also, if anyone remembers a band called Traffic, a great jam band even on their recordings.

rk



The Allman Brothers are awesome. I'd put Duane Allman over Hendrix as well, he was awesome on the guitar.
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roadkill1
WarriorParent wrote:


road kill wrote:

Did you ever see the Allman Brothers?
They jam.

And when you leave you are pretty sure you just saw a GREAT guitarist.
(I got to see Duane Allman, Dickey Betts, Butch Trucks & Derek Trucks, each can play)

Also, if anyone remembers a band called Traffic, a great jam band even on their recordings.

rk

RK to save the day, now we're talking!!! I do enjoy the bros, never got the chance to see Duane though. Now in recent years they've added Warren Haynes to the mix too (along with a stint with Jimmy Herring) with Derek and Warren they still tout 2 outstanding guitarists!

Traffic! Preach on RK! Where were you yesterday when I was defending the 70's?


If I told you some of the bands Isaw in the 60's and 70's you would laugh.

Another really good "jam" band was Supertramp.

They were awesome in concert.
I saw them at the Oriental on Milwaukees famous (infamous) east side in the 70's.
Their commercial stuff was all 3 minute cuts, but in their shows each song was 10 or 12 minutes with each member showing his skills.
Very little guitar work.

Ten Years After w/Alvin Lee was another great jam / blues band.

I also saw Travis Tritt at H-D's 100th.
WOW!!
No c&w, mostly blues and what I call boogie jams.
Very good.

All pretty much memories now, but awesome back in the day.


rk
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WarriorParent wrote:


So you must REALLY hate Toby Keith then, me too!

I'll give you Queen although most of their good music was made in the 70's, same goes for AC/DC, but Huey Lewis and Def Leppard, are you kidding????? Those are prime examples of why the 80's are trash!

DMB being a jam band I guess I will say is fairly accurate, I guess that's why I like them. A group of musicians who write their own music and showcase their talents on respective instruments, that's music to my ears. If you want to find some of the best musicians of the current generation look no further than many jambands.

An interesting note for everyone, whoever or whatever kind of music you enjoy start to try and trace back the roots of their influences, very interesting excercise. I have found tons of bands that I now love that influenced more recent bands and so on.


If Huey Lewis and Def Leppard are trash, then Lil' Wayne, Lady Gaga, Amy Winehouse, Kanye, etc. are off the freaking charts trash.

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wr88
WarriorParent wrote:


So you must REALLY hate Toby Keith then, me too!

I'll give you Queen although most of their good music was made in the 70's, same goes for AC/DC, but Huey Lewis and Def Leppard, are you kidding????? Those are prime examples of why the 80's are trash!

DMB being a jam band I guess I will say is fairly accurate, I guess that's why I like them. A group of musicians who write their own music and showcase their talents on respective instruments, that's music to my ears. If you want to find some of the best musicians of the current generation look no further than many jambands.

An interesting note for everyone, whoever or whatever kind of music you enjoy start to try and trace back the roots of their influences, very interesting excercise. I have found tons of bands that I now love that influenced more recent bands and so on.


I actually dont hate Toby Keith. I dont like country, but I dont mind Toby. He's an Oklahoma boy, like me, He tells it the way it is, and wont back down. He's a good guy.

To Think Def Leppard and Huey are examples of trash from the 80's, is foolish. Huey only had 2 good albums that his hits came off of. Fore! and Sports. Anyone who was anyone from that era had atleast one of those albums. He was an 80's version of 50's-60's do-wop band. Made the 80's croud feel young again as well as incorperating the modern sound to get the kids hooked.

Def Leppard influenced a lot, as well as they were able to get still be together after so many tragedies. Rick Allen alone made the band great, but a vocalist like Joe Elliot, and Bass player like Rick Savage (Who is actually battleing Bells Palsey) and guitarists Phil Collen and Steve Clark (Passed away before the Adrenalize in 1992) and now Vivian Campbell.....This group is great for making it through all the tough times alone. But Look at Pyromania there really isn't a bad song on that album, and Hysteria's 1st 6 songs were chart toppers, along with the song Hysteria later on the album.

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I hate it in these discussions when people just list off the band members without actually explaining they are good. WR_88 I am not callilng you out in anyway, it just seems like that is what happens whenever there is a music discussion on here. Just because you name band members doesn't really add to an arguement
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