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wlhssuperjake08
dawgstyle wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that all these people that are agreeing with like 75 total posts between them all are the same person?


It's the troll 4 years in the making.
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2miler
2miler wrote:
getridofd5moretalentatstate wrote:
You all can say whatever you like but tell me if THIS is looks like an entertaining game at state smdh lmao



Ohhhh I think the one kid had an open dunk! Lol is that a first at state in division 5?!?! Garbage...

But hey if this is what the majority of Wisconsin high school basketball fans want by all means enjoy. Just sayin if you think this kinda basketball is good enough to be deserving of a state tournament appearance, something many more deserving kids in sectional 4 D1 are going to be balling their eyes out over after this weekend because we had to eliminate 4 division 1 teams, stack all of the racine and Milwaukee teams together in one bloodbath that will be known this year as "the real state tournament", and add 4 division 5 teams so we could make all of the even smaller than already small schools feel special, then u are kidding yourselves. The least the WIAA could have done was put racine teams and perhaps Vincent or king in the sectional that Madison memorial always cake walks through, until recently. The geography wouldn't be screwed up, it would just be evened out, although again, the WIAA doesn't want more Milwaukee teams than it needs to if possible because the transportation and attendance, lack there of, by the Milwaukee schools creates less revenue for the WIAA. Division 5 teams, as bad as they are will bring THE ENTIRE TOWN!!! $$$$$$$ baybayyyyyyy do the math.

But ask yourself who is suffering the most? Yes us fans are that know what talent at state should look like, however it's the kids that suffer from this...well at least the kids in sectional 4.

The talent in the sectionals for sectional 4 division 1 includes brook Centrals top 4 guys whom are all top players in WI at their respective positions. WAC has tons of young talent led by Brandon Key who is a lot better than I had originally thought. Milwaukee King has Posey, Howell, and countless other talented players that don't stand out as much because of how much depth they have every year. Racine Case has one of the best PGs in the state potential wise and ability wise right now in D'Angelo Jackson, Darion King who is a monster, and numerous other scholarship level players who have actual offers on the table from various schools and no one ever hears about them because of the depth, balanced scoring, and oh yeah probably wishoops and ny2la's (sorry guys an occasional tweet doesn't cut it lol) lack of REAL coverage. To be honest, guys that come off the bench for a couple of these teams are better than half of the kids on the player rankings on this site for sure, but don't pay to go to wishoops camps or buy the Yearbook so they get short changed unless they are an obvious D1 college prospect.


getridofgetridof: I just figured out why you're so confused about this whole WIAA Basketball Tournament thing. You've got it mixed up with the WIAA/AAU Basketball Combine where the scholarship players are able to display their INDIVIDUAL skills and talents for prospective college coaches. There are no team competitions at the combine, and I'm not sure if they test the kids for the Wonderlic but I do know entire towns don't show up for it and there aren't pep rallies or fire engine escorts to welcome the victors back to town. There is no gold or silver ball that these very lucky athletes can display in the trophy case and every time they return to their alma maters are able to sneak a peak to make sure is still there. I hope maybe I've cleared up some of that confusion by pointing out what the difference is. .

By the way, the great thing about the WIAA Basketball Tournament is that every school whether its in Ashland, Barneveld, Racine, or Wausau can get to State. All they have to do is keep winning and no one can deprive them a place or opportunity to win it all. Its really that simple if you think about it.




Milwaukee King 87
Racine Case 78
Final

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sp0rtsfan
teddykgb wrote:
In looking at all the brackets (D1-D5), I see that 19 out of 80 regional championship teams had 8 or more losses on the season. I'm not sure what to make of this. Part of me believes this is due to the obvious fact of spreading out the total number of schools over 5 Divisions that may water things down a bit. The other part of me still believes that tournament time has some voodoo about it and all it takes it a couple of good nights to see a #4 seed hoist a plaque. Thoughts? I'm sure there are still some people on the board who remember the battles during the A-B-C Class system.


Are many of those from schools playing in a conference with larger division schools?
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teddykgb
In looking at all the brackets (D1-D5), I see that 19 out of 80 regional championship teams had 8 or more losses on the season. I'm not sure what to make of this. Part of me believes this is due to the obvious fact of spreading out the total number of schools over 5 Divisions that may water things down a bit. The other part of me still believes that tournament time has some voodoo about it and all it takes it a couple of good nights to see a #4 seed hoist a plaque. Thoughts? I'm sure there are still some people on the board who remember the battles during the A-B-C Class system.
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traviswilson
teddykgb wrote:
In looking at all the brackets (D1-D5), I see that 19 out of 80 regional championship teams had 8 or more losses on the season. I'm not sure what to make of this. Part of me believes this is due to the obvious fact of spreading out the total number of schools over 5 Divisions that may water things down a bit. The other part of me still believes that tournament time has some voodoo about it and all it takes it a couple of good nights to see a #4 seed hoist a plaque. Thoughts? I'm sure there are still some people on the board who remember the battles during the A-B-C Class system.

There are more losses among top teams than perhaps any time before. There are no unbeaten teams heading into state tourney. Has not happened since at least 1988 (no info available prior to that), and not really sure when it last happened, could have been 30 or more years. That has nothing to do with 5 divisions. Nor does the total number of losses by state teams. In the old format, there was frequently 6 or more loss teams, sometimes multiples, that ended up as D1 quarterfinalists.
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nrhstiger
Rob Hernandez take on it just reads like it is more rational and thought out.
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madjeff66
nrhstiger wrote:
Rob Hernandez take on it just reads like it is more rational and thought out.




Agreed, I preferred 8-4-4-4 over 4-4-4-4-4, so I should be inclined to agree with Woelfel, but as a debate Hernandez scores a TKO on the subject matter.

FWIW, my biggest complaint about the current format is that they left a game and session on the table compared to the old format. That seems to leave Thursday out on an island with it being only the sub 300 enrollment schools and no games until 1:35. Friday and Saturday the last two years have flat out rocked in terms of attendance and play, but Thursday seems left behind. I don't know how you get a third session in on Thursday, but it couldn't help but ad interest to that day.

I think they thought they could make up some of the difference with Super Tuesday, but that didn't work (and quite frankly would have softened interest in the D1 semis, don't know the matchups until Tuesday night which affects ticket distribution/sales)
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dennism1
traviswilson wrote:
I think a 3-5-4-2-1 format for semi-finals might spice things up a bit. Open with a pretty good sized session of D3 on Thursday afternoon and get a bit more energy going. D4 crowds are still pretty solid for Friday mornings.


Here is one thing I really never understood! Why do the smaller schools play initially on day 1 of the tournament instead of the larger schools? With funding being so much tighter for the smaller schools it would simply make sense to have them play Friday/Saturday and save on a day of lodging and such for the school districts. Thus putting the larger schools on Thursday when they can afford a little more of their budgets to have the off day inbetween playing Thursday/Saturday. Seems like it would be a win/win/win situation, bring the average basketball fan in earlier instead of them skipping out on Thursday's games because of the "lesser talent" they may just attend the games on Friday since they are already in town. The Smaller schools would save funding while putting the larger schools on a day break inbetween games. If in fact more people would rather see the larger schools play they would be forced to attend Thursday games and thus spend more money in the city as well! Good for the WIAA / The Schools / The City.
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traviswilson
I think a 3-5-4-2-1 format for semi-finals might spice things up a bit. Open with a pretty good sized session of D3 on Thursday afternoon and get a bit more energy going. D4 crowds are still pretty solid for Friday mornings.
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kenny78
dennism1 wrote:
traviswilson wrote:
I think a 3-5-4-2-1 format for semi-finals might spice things up a bit. Open with a pretty good sized session of D3 on Thursday afternoon and get a bit more energy going. D4 crowds are still pretty solid for Friday mornings.


Here is one thing I really never understood! Why do the smaller schools play initially on day 1 of the tournament instead of the larger schools? With funding being so much tighter for the smaller schools it would simply make sense to have them play Friday/Saturday and save on a day of lodging and such for the school districts. Thus putting the larger schools on Thursday when they can afford a little more of their budgets to have the off day inbetween playing Thursday/Saturday. Seems like it would be a win/win/win situation, bring the average basketball fan in earlier instead of them skipping out on Thursday's games because of the "lesser talent" they may just attend the games on Friday since they are already in town. The Smaller schools would save funding while putting the larger schools on a day break inbetween games. If in fact more people would rather see the larger schools play they would be forced to attend Thursday games and thus spend more money in the city as well! Good for the WIAA / The Schools / The City.



To what costs are you referring? The WIAA provides the rooms for the teams who advance to Madison.
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dennism1
kenny78 wrote:
dennism1 wrote:
traviswilson wrote:
I think a 3-5-4-2-1 format for semi-finals might spice things up a bit. Open with a pretty good sized session of D3 on Thursday afternoon and get a bit more energy going. D4 crowds are still pretty solid for Friday mornings.


Here is one thing I really never understood! Why do the smaller schools play initially on day 1 of the tournament instead of the larger schools? With funding being so much tighter for the smaller schools it would simply make sense to have them play Friday/Saturday and save on a day of lodging and such for the school districts. Thus putting the larger schools on Thursday when they can afford a little more of their budgets to have the off day inbetween playing Thursday/Saturday. Seems like it would be a win/win/win situation, bring the average basketball fan in earlier instead of them skipping out on Thursday's games because of the "lesser talent" they may just attend the games on Friday since they are already in town. The Smaller schools would save funding while putting the larger schools on a day break inbetween games. If in fact more people would rather see the larger schools play they would be forced to attend Thursday games and thus spend more money in the city as well! Good for the WIAA / The Schools / The City.



To what costs are you referring? The WIAA provides the rooms for the teams who advance to Madison.


I understand that the schools are reimbursed for SOME of the expenses, but not 100%. There are meals, bus services, and other items such as salaries of staff from coaching, band, cheer, and student fan buses. Not to mention I am sure that the WIAA does not pay for rooms for the band and cheer teams. Granted these expenses are smaller for small schools but they are still expenses which a larger school would be able to eat easier then a smaller one.
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db11
Look at this beauty of a tweet from Madison Memorial Steve Collins, further perpetuating my theory that D1 coaches are clueless as to who really benefited from the extra division:

Steve Collins@CoachCollinsJMM
?@WKOW: Packed Kohl Center for WIAA Boys Basketball Tournament! #wiaa pic.twitter.com/O4AJyvlvmH
? lol. D 1 traveled better!! #wiaa #BringBack8

Again, why do all these D1 coaches think they lost 4 spots at State to D5 schools? No, you lost them to schools in the 600-1200 enrollment range.
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db11 wrote:
Look at this beauty of a tweet from Madison Memorial Steve Collins, further perpetuating my theory that D1 coaches are clueless as to who really benefited from the extra division:

Steve Collins@CoachCollinsJMM
?@WKOW: Packed Kohl Center for WIAA Boys Basketball Tournament! #wiaa pic.twitter.com/O4AJyvlvmH
? lol. D 1 traveled better!! #wiaa #BringBack8

Again, why do all these D1 coaches think they lost 4 spots at State to D5 schools? No, you lost them to schools in the 600-1200 enrollment range.


I know its pathetic that D5 always takes the blame when it is really the old D4. I figured he would be smart enough to realize that. Of course I thought Tom Oates would be too and he isn't.
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