hueby
This is only for fun! I know there?s not participation in this section, but was curious about the feedback on the realignment that occurred about 4 years ago. Here are my observations (some have a ripple effect to neighboring conferences). Most of this is geared towards the 12 team FRCC football conference.

Some of my comments do bleed over to the current Bay Conference.

Also for fun with some upcoming posts, I would like to play ?Internet A.D.? Again- this is all in fun.

A reminder, the Conferences were like this:

Bay Conference
Ashwaubenon
Bay Port
De Pere
Mar inette
New London
Pulaski
Seymour
Shawano
West De Pere

Fox River Valley Conference
Green Bay East
Green Bay Notre Dame
Green Bay Preble
Green Bay Southwest
Green Bay West
Manitowoc
Sheboygan North
Sheboygan South
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hueby
As many of you remember, the WIAA took the 4 larger schools from the Bay Conference (Ashwaubenon, Bay Port, De Pere and Pulaski) and added them to the FRVC.

Looking back, some good things about this:

1) In the current Bay, West De Pere has really elevated & finally got over the hump. Plus their enrollment has grown. If I remember correctly, they were in the 600?s. Now they are close to 800. edit: They are over 800. When they were in the 600?s I remember that was the concern of playing GB Preble.

2) In the current Bay, Shawano made the playoffs a couple years back

3) People from New London told me they ?Are more competitive now? (At least in other sports). If I remember correctly, under the current Bay they advanced to the Championship game before losing to Wisconsin Lutheran.

4) Some schools who were dormant came alive. Those who come to mind are Pulaski, GB Southwest, GB Preble and Manitowoc. In the FRCC there is more competition as many of the larger schools are showing signs of playing to their potential. I believe there are more rivalries than before.

5) For the FRCC, the travel is closer. For many working people they could attend more games & arrive there before kickoff.

6) Schools are getting more serious in who they hire as coaches.



Looking back- Some of the negatives: (some of these are minor though)

1) Seems more conference co-champions.

2) Some teams finish ahead of others in the standings thanks to playing more of the teams that finished in the bottom half of the FRCC.

3) Some teams have to visit a conference opponent 2 years in a row-instead of alternating.

4) See #4 above. This was a negative for their rivals.[]

5) Some of the rivalry games to be played as non-conference games never happened. Example: What ever happened to the De Pere vs West De Pere game?

6) In the new Bay, I know many in Denmark weren't happy about the travel and playing more larger schools. They wish they could be back playing more of the schools in their area.

7) How does Oconto Falls like the Bay?

8) Up in Marinette, the Menominee (MI) people are telling them they need to play tougher opponents than the ones they play now. Otherwise they won?t get anywhere.

9) Shawano peaked but appeared to resort back to where they were.

10) Outside of football, Green Bay teams are still traveling to Sheboygan on a school night. [:-]

Anyone have anything else to add? (....Probably not [] ).
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hueby
Overall, I think the realignment has helped football in the area. Plus I like the geographically closer games- which don't just include the varsity but at the JV and Frosh levels too.

Anyways, if you look back at the growth of this area, you can really see how the football landscape was formed.

Then with the growth of the suburbs another conference was added, and different rivalries formed.

I think many will admit the "Old Bay" really got out of balance. I really believe right now you have much more competition when you take Pulaski, Bay Port, GB Preble, GB Southwest, Ashwaubenon, GB Notre Dame, Manitowoc, and De Pere. Since realignment mix and match those teams. One would notice most really had good games against each other.

Then couple years back you also had Sheboygan South and even GB East in the mix (until some injuries). If we can get the other schools up things will really be fun!

For fun I wanted to play "Internet AD" and throw some Conference football ideas out there. One thing I learned- I wouldn't want to be an AD or work for the WIAA and try to figure this stuff out!

See the smileys to the left? I needed one where the smiley was banging his head against the table- because that's what I felt like playing Internet AD!

Just when I thought I came up with the solution, something popped up and bit me in the rear end!
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hueby
For those of you who are not aware, 12 schools were combined to form the FRCC. I haven?t looked at every conference the State, but I don?t think everyone is in a 12 team conference.

Here in the FRCC, geographically, 6 schools are on the west side of the Fox River, while the other 6 are on the east. I believe in basketball the conference forms 2 divisions- East and West.

However in football, it is just one big huge conference. What happens is there is this two year rotation where there are 3 schools that rotate out of your schedule. However, one of those schools you pick up and play the first game of the season as a ?non conference opponent.?

So basically there are 2 schools within your conference you don?t play for 2 years.

After toying around with this- there are many advantages to the current format.
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hueby
Ok, so we now have a 12 team conference. I just thought I?d have a little fun with this. Because when life gives your lemons- you make lemonade.[]

Here?s what I thought would be fun. Lets say, the WIAA wants an 8 game ?and everybody makes the playoffs? season.

First, lets break down the FRCC into 2 divisions- East and West.

FRCC East Division
GB Preble
GB East
De Pere
Manitowoc
Sheboygan North
Sheboygan South

FRCC West Division
Pulaski
Bay Port
GB Southwest
GB Notre Dame
GB West
Ashwaubenon


The season in a nutshell:

* The first 2 weeks are East/West cross-over games. (You play 2 different opponents from the opposite division for 2 years, then a rotation)

* Weeks 3-7 are Divisional games. These are the games where the schools really compete to win their Divisions. Yes, these teams will see each other year after year. Every year these schools know who they can focus on.

* At the end of Week 7, there will be a winner in each division.

Within the Division standings, there will be tie breakers:

-Head to head
-Least pts allowed vs Divisional opponents
-Most pts scored vs Divisional opponents

* Week 8 is another week of East/West cross-over games. #6 place from East plays #6 place from West, #5?s play each other, and so on. The intent here is to pair off for good, competitive games.

Since everybody is making the playoffs, there is flexibility in opponents switching to play someone different.

With the exception of the #1 teams. If they played each other in Weeks 1 or Week 2- well, I guess there will be a possible payback.[]

Anyways, the game pitting the #1 from the East vs the #1 team from the West will be the ?FRCC Championship game.?

Also, the FRCC Championship Game could be played at St. Norbert College.(?)

I did draft up a rotation plan where when all was said and done, every team should have 4 home games when the season is over. When I can get back to the computer I will throw out some pros and cons ok?


Until then- you football players keep working hard!

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Interesting thread you have going. I will look at the details later today and see if I have any insight.
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hueby
Some of the other options I was playing around with included adding teams to the FRCC. One thing to think about is by doing this, the Divisions don't have to be "East and West." Maybe arrange the Divisions that would be create a competitive balance.

We could name the Divisions like "Lambeau Division" (He played at GB East) and the other name ???? Lombardi? Or after someone who had a big impact on football around here. Any suggestions?

I still think it would be neat to be able to have teams compete for a Divisional Title, (create little battles/rivalries from within) then the 2 winners play for the FRCC Championship. Maybe the cross over games count for WIAA playoff purposes?

Personally, some teams I think would be a good fit to the FRCC are:

* West De Pere- They have grown and possibly still growing? Many West De Pere people I speak to say they would rather be playing the Green Bay area teams.

* Kaukauna- Really, they aren't that far away. I don't know if they would consider it. Size wise they seem to be a good fit. And they are near the Fox River []

* Menasha- They seem like they would be a good fit too. When you grow up playing teams that are 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 hrs away, Menasha isn't that far either.

* That would leave one more team we need. I'm clueless on who.

I'm not sure of the ripple effect. I'm sure there are neighboring schools in other conferences that would switch.

On another note looking at other options, I'd consider moving GB East and GB West to the Bay Conference. In their case one shouldn't just look at their enrollment- but look inside those numbers.

This stuff is really hard! There are so many things to consider as we recover from this "Great Recession" and also there is history, enrollment, being competitive, travel, number of home games, and so on.
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amped0808
Go Blue wrote:
As many of you remember, the WIAA took the 4 larger schools from the Bay Conference (Ashwaubenon, Bay Port, De Pere and Pulaski) and added them to the FRVC.

Looking back, some good things about this:

1) In the current Bay, West De Pere has really elevated & finally got over the hump. Plus their enrollment has grown. If I remember correctly, they were in the 600?s. Now they are close to 800. edit: They are over 800. When they were in the 600?s I remember that was the concern of playing GB Preble.

2) In the current Bay, Shawano made the playoffs a couple years back

3) People from New London told me they ?Are more competitive now? (At least in other sports). If I remember correctly, under the current Bay they advanced to the Championship game before losing to Wisconsin Lutheran.

4) Some schools who were dormant came alive. Those who come to mind are Pulaski, GB Southwest, GB Preble and Manitowoc. In the FRCC there is more competition as many of the larger schools are showing signs of playing to their potential. I believe there are more rivalries than before.

5) For the FRCC, the travel is closer. For many working people they could attend more games & arrive there before kickoff.

6) Schools are getting more serious in who they hire as coaches.



Looking back- Some of the negatives: (some of these are minor though)

1) Seems more conference co-champions.

2) Some teams finish ahead of others in the standings thanks to playing more of the teams that finished in the bottom half of the FRCC.

3) Some teams have to visit a conference opponent 2 years in a row-instead of alternating.

4) See #4 above. This was a negative for their rivals.[]

5) Some of the rivalry games to be played as non-conference games never happened. Example: What ever happened to the De Pere vs West De Pere game?

6) In the new Bay, I know many in Denmark weren't happy about the travel and playing more larger schools. They wish they could be back playing more of the schools in their area.

7) How does Oconto Falls like the Bay?

8) Up in Marinette, the Menominee (MI) people are telling them they need to play tougher opponents than the ones they play now. Otherwise they won?t get anywhere.

9) Shawano peaked but appeared to resort back to where they were.

10) Outside of football, Green Bay teams are still traveling to Sheboygan on a school night. [:-]

Anyone have anything else to add? (....Probably not [] ).


The FRCC is the same size as the Milwaukee City (both are 11 team conferences). The difference is that the FRCC plays a "Closed" schedule (does not play any teams outside the conference, their non-cons are other FRCC teams) and the Milwaukee City has six conference games which allows the teams to have non-cons. In both leagues some teams do not face some other teams on a year-to-year basis.

Denmark had early success in the new Bay but the last few years have been rough for them. If there was conference re-alignment in the area, they could go to the Packerland Conference.

Oconto Falls had their best year in the Bay last year....Some Schools it takes a while to get used to the change of the conference.

Did the Menominee (MI) folks see what Marinette did in the playoffs this year? Knocking off both Co-Champs of the Eastern Valley is not easy to do especially in the postseason. Marinette is bigger than most of the schools in Menominee's Conference

Marinette: 691
Kingsford: 559
Escanaba: 791
Menominee: 539
Gladstone: 490
Marquette: 1,112

All of the schools in the GNC (MI) has seen their enrollments decline over the last decade.
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hueby
travis wrote:
The WIAA doesn't want 8 games; this is the only 8-game season, everything else (as of now) will be 9 games.


Oh good! That is great news. But will the season start earlier like last year? (Apologize I don't remember the future plans)[x(]

Anyways if the "8 game/all in" plan should ever be implemented in the future (which I guess it won't), that was just a "fun" scenario to throw out there!

How bout we try it and give the qualifying teams a deserving bye in week 9? C'mon they've been working all off season 7 on 7, lifting, etc [:-] just kiddin

Thanks Travis!
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hueby
aloveforfootball12 wrote:
Interesting thread you have going. I will look at the details later today and see if I have any insight.


I know there's not much FRCC participation on this site. Hopefully some from the other conferences will chime in and "for fun" we could make the necessary adjustments & come up with something good.

amped0808-

Thanks for that input. One thing I was looking at was I didn't want to "close" the current Bay Conference. Mainly because I wanted to keep the tradition of the Marinette/Menominee (M & M) game.

As far as Marinette's win in the playoffs- you know those Maroon fans- they have "super high" standards and expectations! []

Some of this as been an eye-opening experience for me. For years driving through Northern Wisconsin everything seems like a "blimp" on the map.


For example, some Coleman alumni were telling me how "Oconto Falls" is twice their size. I got the impression they didn't want to compete with them (surprised me due to Coleman's success in athletics).
One's like "They're twice our size! Case closed!"

Also I didn't realize Escanaba has dropped that low. They used to be about an Ashwaubenon size school. Which leads me to this, another factor I was looking at as to why NOT "close" some of these conferences, were for options available to play U.P. schools.

The reason being is I'm trying to look out for what's best for our schools. If there is a good opponent nearby just on the other side of the border, and it helps our WI school with travel and scheduling, then I hope they can hook up. Many of those U.P. schools travel well too! I'm sure in many cases a Northern Wisconsin school could bring more to their gate playing some of those U.P. teams than here in Wisconsin.

It's a "win win" for all. Also remember- if it weren't for Ohio, the U.P. would be Wisconsins![] (Ohio/Michigan war)

Maybe Marinette would benefit playing in a smaller conference & playing more of the U.P. teams-IDK.[huh] Would love to hear what the Marinette people desire.

What's funny was just over the past 2 days I spoke with 2 Denmark parents. One said this:

1) She wants closer travel and doesn't understand why the school must travel so far. But she also went off on a rant as to all they care about now days in high school sports are college scholarships. She said most kids aren't going to get them, they should just be playing sports for fun, and how coaches are selecting that year round specialization player and playing them first over the others.

She said when she was growing up schools like De Pere, West De Pere, Brillion, Luxemburg-Casco, Sturgeon Bay and Brillion all played each other (Is this true? - I'm not originally from here). But to her things were fine the way they were, and we're putting athletics over education. (I got an earful-trust me![] )

2) Another parent from Denmark told me Oconto Falls is the only team Denmark is competitive with (we're talking football). Oh yes, she said Denmark can compete with Marinette. But she said they get killed by Seymour and especially West De Pere. She said West De Pere doesn't belong with them and should be "playing in your Conference" (FRCC).

She also added Denmark is in a tough situation, because right now they are a smaller school playing larger ones, and if they switched they would be one of the larger schools playing smaller teams.

I'm just sharing with you all some of the thoughts of some of the people, that's all.[]
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hickorycornhusker
Go Blue wrote:
aloveforfootball12 wrote:
Interesting thread you have going. I will look at the details later today and see if I have any insight.


I know there's not much FRCC participation on this site. Hopefully some from the other conferences will chime in and "for fun" we could make the necessary adjustments & come up with something good.

amped0808-

Thanks for that input. One thing I was looking at was I didn't want to "close" the current Bay Conference. Mainly because I wanted to keep the tradition of the Marinette/Menominee (M & M) game.

As far as Marinette's win in the playoffs- you know those Maroon fans- they have "super high" standards and expectations! []

Some of this as been an eye-opening experience for me. For years driving through Northern Wisconsin everything seems like a "blimp" on the map.


For example, some Coleman alumni were telling me how "Oconto Falls" is twice their size. I got the impression they didn't want to compete with them (surprised me due to Coleman's success in athletics).
One's like "They're twice our size! Case closed!"

Also I didn't realize Escanaba has dropped that low. They used to be about an Ashwaubenon size school. Which leads me to this, another factor I was looking at as to why NOT "close" some of these conferences, were for options available to play U.P. schools.

The reason being is I'm trying to look out for what's best for our schools. If there is a good opponent nearby just on the other side of the border, and it helps our WI school with travel and scheduling, then I hope they can hook up. Many of those U.P. schools travel well too! I'm sure in many cases a Northern Wisconsin school could bring more to their gate playing some of those U.P. teams than here in Wisconsin.

It's a "win win" for all. Also remember- if it weren't for Ohio, the U.P. would be Wisconsins![] (Ohio/Michigan war)

Maybe Marinette would benefit playing in a smaller conference & playing more of the U.P. teams-IDK.[huh] Would love to hear what the Marinette people desire.

What's funny was just over the past 2 days I spoke with 2 Denmark parents. One said this:

1) She wants closer travel and doesn't understand why the school must travel so far. But she also went off on a rant as to all they care about now days in high school sports are college scholarships. She said most kids aren't going to get them, they should just be playing sports for fun, and how coaches are selecting that year round specialization player and playing them first over the others.

She said when she was growing up schools like De Pere, West De Pere, Brillion, Luxemburg-Casco, Sturgeon Bay and Brillion all played each other (Is this true? - I'm not originally from here). But to her things were fine the way they were, and we're putting athletics over education. (I got an earful-trust me![] )

2) Another parent from Denmark told me Oconto Falls is the only team Denmark is competitive with (we're talking football). Oh yes, she said Denmark can compete with Marinette. But she said they get killed by Seymour and especially West De Pere. She said West De Pere doesn't belong with them and should be "playing in your Conference" (FRCC).

She also added Denmark is in a tough situation, because right now they are a smaller school playing larger ones, and if they switched they would be one of the larger schools playing smaller teams.

I'm just sharing with you all some of the thoughts of some of the people, that's all.[]


It's too bad Denmark isn't closer to the Eastern Valley Conference or the Eastern Wisconsin Conference schools because Denmark's enrollment would fit in perfectly with those two conferences but travel would go way up with road trips to Ripon and Berlin in the EVC and Waupun and Kewaskum in the EWC.
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onpackerland
Go Blue wrote:
aloveforfootball12 wrote:
Interesting thread you have going. I will look at the details later today and see if I have any insight.


I know there's not much FRCC participation on this site. Hopefully some from the other conferences will chime in and "for fun" we could make the necessary adjustments & come up with something good.

amped0808-

Thanks for that input. One thing I was looking at was I didn't want to "close" the current Bay Conference. Mainly because I wanted to keep the tradition of the Marinette/Menominee (M & M) game.

As far as Marinette's win in the playoffs- you know those Maroon fans- they have "super high" standards and expectations! []

Some of this as been an eye-opening experience for me. For years driving through Northern Wisconsin everything seems like a "blimp" on the map.


For example, some Coleman alumni were telling me how "Oconto Falls" is twice their size. I got the impression they didn't want to compete with them (surprised me due to Coleman's success in athletics).
One's like "They're twice our size! Case closed!"

Also I didn't realize Escanaba has dropped that low. They used to be about an Ashwaubenon size school. Which leads me to this, another factor I was looking at as to why NOT "close" some of these conferences, were for options available to play U.P. schools.

The reason being is I'm trying to look out for what's best for our schools. If there is a good opponent nearby just on the other side of the border, and it helps our WI school with travel and scheduling, then I hope they can hook up. Many of those U.P. schools travel well too! I'm sure in many cases a Northern Wisconsin school could bring more to their gate playing some of those U.P. teams than here in Wisconsin.

It's a "win win" for all. Also remember- if it weren't for Ohio, the U.P. would be Wisconsins![] (Ohio/Michigan war)

Maybe Marinette would benefit playing in a smaller conference & playing more of the U.P. teams-IDK.[huh] Would love to hear what the Marinette people desire.

What's funny was just over the past 2 days I spoke with 2 Denmark parents. One said this:

1) She wants closer travel and doesn't understand why the school must travel so far. But she also went off on a rant as to all they care about now days in high school sports are college scholarships. She said most kids aren't going to get them, they should just be playing sports for fun, and how coaches are selecting that year round specialization player and playing them first over the others.

She said when she was growing up schools like De Pere, West De Pere, Brillion, Luxemburg-Casco, Sturgeon Bay and Brillion all played each other (Is this true? - I'm not originally from here). But to her things were fine the way they were, and we're putting athletics over education. (I got an earful-trust me![] )

2) Another parent from Denmark told me Oconto Falls is the only team Denmark is competitive with (we're talking football). Oh yes, she said Denmark can compete with Marinette. But she said they get killed by Seymour and especially West De Pere. She said West De Pere doesn't belong with them and should be "playing in your Conference" (FRCC).

She also added Denmark is in a tough situation, because right now they are a smaller school playing larger ones, and if they switched they would be one of the larger schools playing smaller teams.

I'm just sharing with you all some of the thoughts of some of the people, that's all.[]

How old was the first lady? As far as I know, aside from De Pere all those teams listed were apart of the Packerland at one point or another (and I wouldn't be surprised if De Pere was as well, I just can't remember). In fact, based on the old conference champ plaques I have seen in some of the schools, during the 70s and 80s the Packerland contained now larger schools such as West De Pere, Oconto Falls, and New Holstein. During this time period I beleive both Algoma and Kewaunee both had enrollments in the 400s; now Algoma is in the low 200s and Kewaunee mid 300s.
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hueby
hickory_cornhusker wrote:

It's too bad Denmark isn't closer to the Eastern Valley Conference or the Eastern Wisconsin Conference schools because Denmark's enrollment would fit in perfectly with those two conferences but travel would go way up with road trips to Ripon and Berlin in the EVC and Waupun and Kewaskum in the EWC.


Good point. These are one of the many problems when doing all this. You try to find competitive opponents and all- but travel is a factor. It's usually something.

These are the challanges U.P. teams face though.

I always thought a great opponent for Denmark would be the U.P.'s Norway. Two like communities with Scandanavian background.[]
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hueby
onpackerland wrote:
How old was the first lady? As far as I know, aside from De Pere all those teams listed were apart of the Packerland at one point or another (and I wouldn't be surprised if De Pere was as well, I just can't remember). In fact, based on the old conference champ plaques I have seen in some of the schools, during the 70s and 80s the Packerland contained now larger schools such as West De Pere, Oconto Falls, and New Holstein. During this time period I beleive both Algoma and Kewaunee both had enrollments in the 400s; now Algoma is in the low 200s and Kewaunee mid 300s.


I'm pretty sure she's originally from De Pere and her age would put her in that timeframe. Mid-70's to early 80's (I just don't want to ask)[]

She's had older kids who have graduated and a younger one who came along later. So I think from her experience this is why she feels this way & now looking out for the youngest.

BTW about Denmark, on top of it all there is a growing sport within the school system that I expect will cause football to take a bigger hit. That sport is soccer.
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