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dawgstyle
coachw12 wrote:
IF you watch the video you will notice the qb had hold of her arm and she wanted to go, he would not let her so yes she did swing at him first but it was because he would not let her be.

even worse was the ****** males standing at the bar who would not intervene. Men under 25 ******'s at heart.


Did you start watching halfway through? He grabs her arm after she raises a fist at him. As I said before, she got what she deserved.
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traviswilson
dawgstyle wrote:
tweb1216 wrote:
hueby wrote:
There have been many times on this site I was going to post how maybe we should ban rap music with lyrics that belittle and degrade women. But to be serious I don't know for sure if the problem lies with the destruction of the family, lack of morals and values, lack of respect, this is a reflection of feminists preaching we are all equal, and or video games that have women characters in combative roles against men.

Our moms strictly drilled in us that "boys/men don't hit girls/women." That woman in that video could be YOUR sister, daughter, or mother. On top of that, in the old days Lord help the man that hits a woman when her father finds out.


Give me a break.


I personally do find it funny that women preach equality, then want a man to lose everything when they hit a woman after she hits him first.

Regardless of how anyone here feels, I have no problem with a man hitting a woman if she swings first. I would tell my mom, sister and nieces the same thing. If you don't want to get hit, don't hit someone. If you want to be equal, lets be equal. But there are no exceptions in true equality.

I haven't seen any video of the 2nd incident. But I saw the Johnson video. She attacked him, he defended himself. She got what she deserved.

This is one of the most disgusting comments I've ever seen on our site. To be clear to everyone, it does not represent anything about or for WSN.

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innercityivan
traviswilson wrote:
dawgstyle wrote:
tweb1216 wrote:
hueby wrote:
There have been many times on this site I was going to post how maybe we should ban rap music with lyrics that belittle and degrade women. But to be serious I don't know for sure if the problem lies with the destruction of the family, lack of morals and values, lack of respect, this is a reflection of feminists preaching we are all equal, and or video games that have women characters in combative roles against men.

Our moms strictly drilled in us that "boys/men don't hit girls/women." That woman in that video could be YOUR sister, daughter, or mother. On top of that, in the old days Lord help the man that hits a woman when her father finds out.


Give me a break.


I personally do find it funny that women preach equality, then want a man to lose everything when they hit a woman after she hits him first.

Regardless of how anyone here feels, I have no problem with a man hitting a woman if she swings first. I would tell my mom, sister and nieces the same thing. If you don't want to get hit, don't hit someone. If you want to be equal, lets be equal. But there are no exceptions in true equality.

I haven't seen any video of the 2nd incident. But I saw the Johnson video. She attacked him, he defended himself. She got what she deserved.

This is one of the most disgusting comments I've ever seen on our site. To be clear to everyone, it does not represent anything about or for WSN.

If you would like to continue to post on our site, comments like this will not be allowed.


I'm going to play devil's advocate. In the context of equality....? "disgusting comments I've ever seen on our site".

Perhaps "get's what she deserved" is a bit harsh as no one should be hitting anyone... but who threw the first punch?
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thecrackerjack
Does it really matter who threw the first punch?

I honestly can't believe anyone can defend what we saw in the video.
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innercityivan
thecrackerjack wrote:
Does it really matter who threw the first punch?

I honestly can't believe anyone can defend what we saw in the video.


It can't be defended.
But what we are all trying to get at is it doesn't matter what the woman does to the guy..... how the outcome is judged is all on what the guy does.

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traviswilson
There is a discussion to be had in this particular instance regarding both parties actions during the incident (though it seems clear to me the male is the initial physical aggressor by grabbing her arms and holding her in a vulnerable position, then launching a full-on punch to her face after she weakly pushed/hit at him to get him off her); there is no discussion to be had about the woman "getting what she deserved".
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dawgstyle
traviswilson wrote:
There is a discussion to be had in this particular instance regarding both parties actions during the incident (though it seems clear to me the male is the initial physical aggressor by grabbing her arms and holding her in a vulnerable position, then launching a full-on punch to her face after she weakly pushed/hit at him to get him off her); there is no discussion to be had about the woman "getting what she deserved".


But if it was two guys we would be more than ok talking about him getting what he deserved. The 1920's called, they want their misguided beliefs back.

Once again, this isnt about a "woman" getting what she deserved. This is about a "person," getting what they deserved. The sooner the lot of you can figure that out, the farther you we can go as a human race.

Until you stop seeing people as, men and women, black and white, old and young, we can never be equals.
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dawgstyle
innercityivan wrote:
thecrackerjack wrote:
Does it really matter who threw the first punch?

I honestly can't believe anyone can defend what we saw in the video.


It can't be defended.
But what we are all trying to get at is it doesn't matter what the woman does to the guy..... how the outcome is judged is all on what the guy does.



A young man and a young woman get drunk. They go home together. The next morning the woman wakes up and realizes what shes done. The man is arrested for rape. The thought process is that a drunk woman can not consent therefore he goes to jail. (That is actually the law, not my own belief.) Yet somehow the drunk man can consent.

This is the society your thought process is building. Forget being held accountable for your own actions, just be a woman and there are plenty of people who will make you into a victim.

Good luck with that.
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safetysqueezepleezzee11
traviswilson wrote:
There is a discussion to be had in this particular instance regarding both parties actions during the incident (though it seems clear to me the male is the initial physical aggressor by grabbing her arms and holding her in a vulnerable position, then launching a full-on punch to her face after she weakly pushed/hit at him to get him off her); there is no discussion to be had about the woman "getting what she deserved".


'it seems clear to me'??????

People see what they want to see. I didn't see it the way you describe it.
I would not have hit the woman(would have got my butt out of there real fast though).
I can see how a guy would pop a woman in this case. I wouldn't do it, but I can see
how someone would. It comes down to reaction and LACK of control today.
I don't think it comes down to a 'deserved' thing. I think it comes down to a reaction and
in today's world people react much different than they did when I was young.
I saw women hammer the heck out of men in the 60's and 70's and the guys NEVER hit
back. They often would have been right to do so because the woman was out of control.

A lack of control by the mouth and the body is so different today, I doubt many would survive
long in past decades. Some of the stuff I hear men/guys spout off today would have put them
in the hospital in past decades. Less decorum today........just the way it is.
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mickjagger
dawgstyle wrote:
coachw12 wrote:
IF you watch the video you will notice the qb had hold of her arm and she wanted to go, he would not let her so yes she did swing at him first but it was because he would not let her be.

even worse was the ****** males standing at the bar who would not intervene. Men under 25 ******'s at heart.


Did you start watching halfway through? He grabs her arm after she raises a fist at him. As I said before, she got what she deserved.

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hueby
Anyways, you can tell she wasn't much of a match & how much stronger he was.

I understand there are times of self defense. Someone coming at you with a knife / weapon , etc but the general rule we were raised by is real men do not hit women! I know women can "push your buttons" but if you can--walk away. Be the adult and take high road. You young men reading this please! No woman should be treated this way.

That crossed my mind too about the people in the bar.

They were probably scared?
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warrior2spartan
It is sickening and disgusting that people on this thread are defending and justifying this player striking a woman. This isn't an issue of equality, it's an issue of right and wrong. There is never, I repeat NEVER an instance when a man should hit a woman, period.
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dawgstyle
thecrackerjack wrote:
dawgstyle wrote:
innercityivan wrote:
thecrackerjack wrote:
Does it really matter who threw the first punch?

I honestly can't believe anyone can defend what we saw in the video.


It can't be defended.
But what we are all trying to get at is it doesn't matter what the woman does to the guy..... how the outcome is judged is all on what the guy does.



A young man and a young woman get drunk. They go home together. The next morning the woman wakes up and realizes what shes done. The man is arrested for rape. The thought process is that a drunk woman can not consent therefore he goes to jail. (That is actually the law, not my own belief.) Yet somehow the drunk man can consent.

This is the society your thought process is building. Forget being held accountable for your own actions, just be a woman and there are plenty of people who will make you into a victim.

Good luck with that.


I understand what you are trying to get it, but just don't think this instance lends itself to that. Frankly, I don't think this is the video evidence necessary to show societies injustices against men.

Woe is me, I'm a male!


First off, not woe is me, I'm a male. Try not to spin my words for your enjoyment.

I never suggested that the video shows an injustice against men. My point is that in a day and age when women are fighting daily for equality, we refuse to give it to them. We view them as the inferior sex and see them as needing to be protected by society.

As long as we continue to say men shouldn't hit women, instead of saying people shouldn't hit people, you are refusing to give them that equality.
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innercityivan
Dawg is right.
Perhaps "get what was deserved" was over the top... but the rest is spot on.

Two wrongs do not make a right....both are to blame....not just the FB player.

I wonder with how society currently is, if women feel invincible and therefore do not check their actions. Feeling free to escalate situations with no fear of repercussions? I mean, she raised her fist against a BIG guy.... who does that?
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dawgstyle
Admittedly I am only regurgitating things I heard for 2 years when my roommate dated a women's studies major that was an extreme feminist. But I do certainly get where she is coming from.
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