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Thanks Florida for giving UW a #1 seed...


I wouldn't guarantee that.

Kansas could easily slip into position for a #1 seed and you could make a case for Texas A&M.

I see the #1 seeds being as follows:

1. UCLA
2. Ohio State
3. North Carolina
4. Kansas/Wisconsin/Texas A&M




I dunno if Kansas and Texas A&M have enough quality wins quite yet to deserve a 1 seed. KU's only win in the top 25 is against a Corey Brewer-less Florida team and a bad home loss to Oral Roberts. A&M has a great win at Kansas but really nothing after that. The loss to LSU looks worse and worse and if TTU's somehow plays themselves out of the tourney then have gotten swept by a non-tourney team (I do think they will make the tourney but have to beat Baylor and ISU). Wisconsin still has wins against Pitt, Marquette, and Ohio St along with some other solid wins. If Wisconsin can win until the Big Ten final they should get a 1 seed and if they beat OSU (or win the Big 10 tourney) they will get a 1 seed. They have to prove to the committe they can win without Butch. Also OSU can't really afford a slip up at Mich. which by no means is a gimme. UCLA is a lock. If UNC can beat Ga. Tech and win a couple in the ACC tourney then they are a lock, though they do have some have bad losses. If they get 7 losses it could be very tough for them to secure a 1 seed. Florida has probably played themselves out of a 1 (despite what Vitale says).

As of right now this I how I see it, but a lot can happen....

1. UCLA
2. UNC
3. OSU
4. Wisconsin
5. Kansas
6. Texas A&M
7. Florida
8. Memphis (who really have 1 decent win against Kentucky, nothing else is even close to a good win.)

The seeds are nice and all but all eight of these teams will be facing a really good team in round 2 (and some in round 1). A #1 seed guarntees you nothing as we saw last year when 0 #1 seeds made it to the final 4 (a #2, two #4's and a #11 fielded out the four).


No way is UNC the #2 team... they are ranked 8th... that for one means something. No way they are ranked ahead of OSU, who hasnt lost in some-teen odd games now. And honestly, Wisconsin is probably the #3 right now, they just lost twice yeah, but that gives them... 4 losses on the year, 3 away in the Big 10... where the home team of the top half ranked teams is like 38-1. (But by no means is Wisconsin off the hook, they got work to do to seal their #1, including beating MSU and a semi-final or final appearance in the Big 10 tourney) Florida now has 5 losses including 3 of the last 4, and we all know how the committee looks at the last 10. I don't see them winning the SEC tourney the way they are playing now, which they are gonna have to do to get a 1 seed. UNC now has 5 losses, including the latest bad one to maryland. They are 4-3 in their last 7, with G. Tech and another battle with Duke coming up. They are in a battle with Kansas and A&M for that 4th #1 as of right now.

1-2. UCLA/OSU
3. Wisconsin
4. Kansas, UNC, Texas A&M

7. Florida or Memphis

P.S. Florida was a 3 seed last year... not a 4. BC was the four in that region. []


You are looking primarily at the records and not the resumes. UNC played an excellent non-conference schedule and play in the toughest conference in the country. They have more good wins than OSU, not to mention defeating OSU in a head to head matchup. The rankings mean nothing. Wisconsin was a top 10 team a few years back and got a 6 seed in the tourney. OSU was no. 1 in the country going into last week and were not a 1 seed until they defeated Wisconsin. The polls have very little, if nothing at all, to do with the seeding process. If UNC loses to Ga. Tech or Duke they will prolly fall off the one line but for who, Kansas maybe??? But Kansas hasn't really proved that they deserve it. They have been beating up on supbar competition for the past month.


What has UNC done lately? Beat duke... and thats probably a little more credit than they should get. They are 4-3 their last 7... the committee looks at the last 10 as a big factor. 7-3 vs. 10-0... hmm... OSU as stated above has #6 rpi, and also UNC beat them without oden... and the committee takes that into consideration. They are no where near the same team when UNC beat them. OSU is battling with UCLA for the #1 overall seed right now. I did look at the resume's... and they are similar, with UNC with a few more big non-conference wins. But Ohio State has beaten an elite team in their conference, where UNC doesn't have that team to play. In a "what have you done for me lately" time we live in... OSU will be higher than UNC
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If UNC wins the ACC Tournament I think they will reclaim their #1 seed simply based on the fact the ACC is the best conference at this point in the season. UCLA and Ohio State should be locks at this point, barring quarterfinal exits for either team in their conference tourneys. If Wisconsin makes the Big Ten final I think they will get the fourth #1, otherwise the winner of the Big 12 tournament, especially if it is a TAMU/KU final will lay claim to the final #1 seed. Memphis has no shot in hell to get a #1.

I still think it is probably better if Wisconsin doesn't get a #1 though. Wisconsin doesn't seem to play as well with the bullseye on their back. They'd be better served as a 2 or even a 3, but I don't think they'll fall below 2 barring a loss in the Big Ten qtrs and/or a loss to MSU on Saturday.


Please explain to me how OSU, besides a 1 point win over Butch-less Wisconsin at home, is a lock for a number 1 seed.


Let's see: 26-3 overall, 14-1 in the Big Ten with only 1 game left. 13 game winning streak currently. #1 in the country, wins over #1 Wisconsin and #16 Tennessee at home, losses @ UNC (w/o Oden), @ UF, and @ UW. RPI in the top 6 in the nation. Like I said, they are basically a lock barring a loss in the Big Ten qtrs because, seriously, can you name 4 teams that should be 1's ahead of them??


Now that Florida lost again, no, but before then I think they would've been a 2. 26-3 yes, but they basically played 5 games against top level teams, losing 3 of them, barely beating Tenn at home and barely beating Wisconsin at home (though a very good win for them). Before they beat Wisconsin w/o Butch they never proved they could actually beat the teams surrounding them in the rankings, and even then it was a 1 point home win. 14-1 in the Big Ten yes, but wins really show that they are a top 4 team in the country? By 1 against Wisconsin, okay. By 2 at Penn State? By 2 at home against Michigan St. (good win, but they should be better at home)? By 9 at Northwestern? Gotta give them credit for winning the games they're supposed to, but they aren't all exactly convincing. 13 game win streak yes, but again, not exactly strong competition. They started it with a scare at home against Tenn and finished it with scraping past UW, two very good teams, but the stuff in between is mainly fluff. UW had some of that too, but on their 17 game streak they did beat Winthrop, Marquette, Pitt, and OSU.

They're a good team, very good, but I don't think they are a lock for a 1 seed yet, maybe the Florida loss will get them one, but just because they're ranked number 1 doesn't mean they're a top 4 team.


I remember in football season, everyone was complaining about how wisconsin was getting jobbed because they had all these wins, their only loss to a good team, but wernt ranked high enough. Now it seems like it is the exact same thing, and badger fans are out there calling out osu saying they are ranked too high.

I would rather have close wins like osu is having, they now how to play with the game on the line against lesser opponents, and pull out the win, something you need in the tourney. This is something I dont see wisconsin having, it seems like whenever they get behind at the end, they panic. osu doesnt. That is why they were able to hold on against wisconsin when they made that late run. They know what to do when it matters, which is very important come tourney time



While I was arguing for the football team in the rankings, I wasn't arguing where they were as far as the best teams. UW's talent compared to other schools was lower than the rankings gave them credit for. But as far as how rankings work some of the teams had questionable rankings.

I'm really hoping UW learned from the MSU game as far as how to deal with late deficits, because that was discouraging. Hopefully they'll be making better decisions after that one, since I doubt they'll go the rest of the way without being down late in a close game.
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Thanks Florida for giving UW a #1 seed...


I wouldn't guarantee that.

Kansas could easily slip into position for a #1 seed and you could make a case for Texas A&M.

I see the #1 seeds being as follows:

1. UCLA
2. Ohio State
3. North Carolina
4. Kansas/Wisconsin/Texas A&M




I dunno if Kansas and Texas A&M have enough quality wins quite yet to deserve a 1 seed. KU's only win in the top 25 is against a Corey Brewer-less Florida team and a bad home loss to Oral Roberts. A&M has a great win at Kansas but really nothing after that. The loss to LSU looks worse and worse and if TTU's somehow plays themselves out of the tourney then have gotten swept by a non-tourney team (I do think they will make the tourney but have to beat Baylor and ISU). Wisconsin still has wins against Pitt, Marquette, and Ohio St along with some other solid wins. If Wisconsin can win until the Big Ten final they should get a 1 seed and if they beat OSU (or win the Big 10 tourney) they will get a 1 seed. They have to prove to the committe they can win without Butch. Also OSU can't really afford a slip up at Mich. which by no means is a gimme. UCLA is a lock. If UNC can beat Ga. Tech and win a couple in the ACC tourney then they are a lock, though they do have some have bad losses. If they get 7 losses it could be very tough for them to secure a 1 seed. Florida has probably played themselves out of a 1 (despite what Vitale says).

As of right now this I how I see it, but a lot can happen....

1. UCLA
2. UNC
3. OSU
4. Wisconsin
5. Kansas
6. Texas A&M
7. Florida
8. Memphis (who really have 1 decent win against Kentucky, nothing else is even close to a good win.)

The seeds are nice and all but all eight of these teams will be facing a really good team in round 2 (and some in round 1). A #1 seed guarntees you nothing as we saw last year when 0 #1 seeds made it to the final 4 (a #2, two #4's and a #11 fielded out the four).
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im really lost with the unc one seed thing...i know they play in such a "great" conference...but theres alot of teams who could be the 1 seed
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Thanks Florida for giving UW a #1 seed...


I wouldn't guarantee that.

Kansas could easily slip into position for a #1 seed and you could make a case for Texas A&M.

I see the #1 seeds being as follows:

1. UCLA
2. Ohio State
3. North Carolina
4. Kansas/Wisconsin/Texas A&M




Aww Rodey, c'mon, you know our Dukies are going to take down UNC and UNC will hand UW the #1.
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Mr. Guru_old
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Thanks Florida for giving UW a #1 seed...


I wouldn't guarantee that.

Kansas could easily slip into position for a #1 seed and you could make a case for Texas A&M.

I see the #1 seeds being as follows:

1. UCLA
2. Ohio State
3. North Carolina
4. Kansas/Wisconsin/Texas A&M




I dunno if Kansas and Texas A&M have enough quality wins quite yet to deserve a 1 seed. KU's only win in the top 25 is against a Corey Brewer-less Florida team and a bad home loss to Oral Roberts. A&M has a great win at Kansas but really nothing after that. The loss to LSU looks worse and worse and if TTU's somehow plays themselves out of the tourney then have gotten swept by a non-tourney team (I do think they will make the tourney but have to beat Baylor and ISU). Wisconsin still has wins against Pitt, Marquette, and Ohio St along with some other solid wins. If Wisconsin can win until the Big Ten final they should get a 1 seed and if they beat OSU (or win the Big 10 tourney) they will get a 1 seed. They have to prove to the committe they can win without Butch. Also OSU can't really afford a slip up at Mich. which by no means is a gimme. UCLA is a lock. If UNC can beat Ga. Tech and win a couple in the ACC tourney then they are a lock, though they do have some have bad losses. If they get 7 losses it could be very tough for them to secure a 1 seed. Florida has probably played themselves out of a 1 (despite what Vitale says).

As of right now this I how I see it, but a lot can happen....

1. UCLA
2. UNC
3. OSU
4. Wisconsin
5. Kansas
6. Texas A&M
7. Florida
8. Memphis (who really have 1 decent win against Kentucky, nothing else is even close to a good win.)

The seeds are nice and all but all eight of these teams will be facing a really good team in round 2 (and some in round 1). A #1 seed guarntees you nothing as we saw last year when 0 #1 seeds made it to the final 4 (a #2, two #4's and a #11 fielded out the four).


No way is UNC the #2 team... they are ranked 8th... that for one means something. No way they are ranked ahead of OSU, who hasnt lost in some-teen odd games now. And honestly, Wisconsin is probably the #3 right now, they just lost twice yeah, but that gives them... 4 losses on the year, 3 away in the Big 10... where the home team of the top half ranked teams is like 38-1. (But by no means is Wisconsin off the hook, they got work to do to seal their #1, including beating MSU and a semi-final or final appearance in the Big 10 tourney) Florida now has 5 losses including 3 of the last 4, and we all know how the committee looks at the last 10. I don't see them winning the SEC tourney the way they are playing now, which they are gonna have to do to get a 1 seed. UNC now has 5 losses, including the latest bad one to maryland. They are 4-3 in their last 7, with G. Tech and another battle with Duke coming up. They are in a battle with Kansas and A&M for that 4th #1 as of right now.

1-2. UCLA/OSU
3. Wisconsin
4. Kansas, UNC, Texas A&M

7. Florida or Memphis

P.S. Florida was a 3 seed last year... not a 4. BC was the four in that region. []
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