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Falconcrest_old
I'm not sure how much of an issue this will be, but with the economy in the shape it's in, you could see some students transferring from private schools to public schools without changing addresses because a family no longer feels it can pay tuition payments. I'm not sure you wouldn't want to be able to make an exemption for something like that. I should make it clear, I'm not aware of any instances or claims like that being made by anyone, but one college friend of mine transferred from a pretty elite private school to his local public school just before the start of his junior year after his father died.

Actually, I kind of like Pogue's list. Right now, looking at Mark Miller's post that started this thread, it almost seems that the real effect of the rule has been to get players to take a hard look at where they are during their freshman year -- and then go where they think they'll best fit in for the next three years. They just need to hope the coach stays in place and 2 or 3 other players who play the same position don't pick the same school.

Consider the situation of a person who is moving to the Milwaukee area from out of state because of a new job opportunity. No one would think there was anything wrong with parents who looked over the various school districts and decided to choose one based ? at least in part ? on that fact that their son, a burgeoning quarterback, or daughter, an elite point guard, would fit in well with the athletic teams at the school. You could argue that the young players are doing something similar. At least the current rule should restrict it from being done every year.


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afan1
Some good posts on this thread in regard to the transfer debate.
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FHS5479_old
wcb_sas wrote:


SP1174 wrote:


4ever wrote:


Thank you SP1174! I just find the quote at the end of your signature interesting after reading your response. I guess it proves my point all to well. Some people have different standards at different times and that it isn't anyone elses business what my child does. I don't recall Vinci ever stating everyone is equal and should play equal. I actual think the quote is very suited for the issue at hand. Remember sports are part of high school and that they do help teach a life lesson good and bad.


Here's the difference, brace yourself, Coach Lombardi coached PROFESSIONAL football and your child attends high school. I agree that there are great life lessons to be learned from sports and as a matter of fact I think this is possibly a more important aspect of high school sports than winning and losing. So why should a high school student have to go through try outs to be a part of the team and learn these lessons?? Again, it's HIGH SCHOOL and no student who is willing to put in the time and effort should be left out. And if you and your child feel this isn't so and want to transfer schools because you want more playing time than this is exactly what the transfer rule should prevent, a transfer for solely athletic reasons.
I think you are a bit inconsistent with your points.

In the real world 99% of people are considered at-will employees meaning we can quit and leave whenever we want likewise we can be fired/laid off whenever the company wants. It is a free market and as such there are few restrictions on movement.

OK ... so high school is a bit different than real life (maybe) but everyone of us step into circumstances we don't completely understand or the circumstances that change beyond an acceptable level. I don't completely understand why everyone thinks a child/young adult should be barred from making their personal situation better if things change? Based on your comments I would assume that you feel that a child should accept his/her circumstances and be required to spend all 4 years at one place, even if that one place is not the best choice for him/her.

If an athlete wants to play basketball but realizes he/she won't make the cut at a D1 school but could play at a D3/D4 level ... why not allow him/her to move? If an athlete decides that their current program is not serious enough about winning or competing why not let them go somewhere more suited to their expectations?

We live in a world where adults (coaches, parents, boosters ...) make rules that impact children. Why shouldn't a child have the ability to make a choice best suited for them ... even if that choice is choosing to compete somehere else?

Now don't construe that I support an unrestricted transfer policy. I just think absolutetisim is wrong in this environment.

Specific to Mr. Miller's original query ... we're now seeing significant player movement after their freshman year ... thats because of the way the transfer rule is set up currently. I think that it is actually working because aside from a handful of elite freshmen you are actually seeing LESS movement.



Because those kids are likely going to a D3/4 private school instead of a public one which often has the added effect of making those schools more likely to advance to State and overall be more successful. That makes it extreamly hard for public schools to compete because for the most part, they are not receiving these types of transfers and they still have to try to compete with those privates that keep getting good players from higher divisions . Two good examples are Regis and Webster. Regis has been very good at basketball for the last few years with players they have mostly had within their school system. They have also gotten transfers from small schools outside of Eau Claire which is keeping their current run going. Webster was below average until the last two years when they went on a great run that saw them losing twice in the sectional final to Regis. Now, Webster, the public school, is supposed to start going back down after losing a great senior class. Regis, the private school, will stay on top since they got all of those transfers last year. If they hadn't got those transfers, then it is likely that they wouldn't be projected to be as good this year.
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paulwesthead
SJ 2010 wrote:


pistol pete wrote:


I agree for the most part but then you will get Freshman transfering after the basketball season, say at the end of the third quarter to beat the system.
As I have stated earlier, I think Freshamn should have the ability to transfer without a physical move taking place if their first year of high school was not a favorable one academically, socially, financially or yes, even athletically. One transfer prior Sophomore year without having to sit out.
That is my thought at this time.


Sound good to me..but something has to get done here.


Why seriously why? This ain't life and death folks

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ewcfan
I'll throw one more out there for everyone to think about. What if the state does away with the voucher program in Milwaukee? What happens to all those kids?

Here is a pretty simple rule for eligibility: if you attend a school from the start of the year, you are eligible to play for that team. I could care less where any athlete went to school last year.
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pinggk
kimberlymanager wrote:


I haven't seen the transfer rule affect kimberly in recent years so maybe my opinion would change if it had. Anyway I really don't see why open enrollment was that bad. If you want to go to a different high school to become a better athlete or get more playing time its you and your families choice isn't it? Loyalty shouldn't be forced into every school it should have to be earned. If a isn't loyal enough to stay with thier high school why would you want them in your program? The rule seems to be demanded by the fans of the schools who don't want to see talented players leave thier teams. I know a player who was a real good Baseball player in kimberly he started his sophmore year in right field and pitched a lot. His junior year we got a new coach and he was cut because of his attitude midway through the year. He transferd to Xavier then to Kaukauna. That seems fine to me if thats where his priorities are then let him be.


Wow, run from your problems rather than change the bad attitude. That sounds like a great life lesson. If you're good at something it's okay to be a jerk somewhere.
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afan1
Ping_gk wrote:


kimberlymanager wrote:


I haven't seen the transfer rule affect kimberly in recent years so maybe my opinion would change if it had. Anyway I really don't see why open enrollment was that bad. If you want to go to a different high school to become a better athlete or get more playing time its you and your families choice isn't it? Loyalty shouldn't be forced into every school it should have to be earned. If a isn't loyal enough to stay with thier high school why would you want them in your program? The rule seems to be demanded by the fans of the schools who don't want to see talented players leave thier teams. I know a player who was a real good Baseball player in kimberly he started his sophmore year in right field and pitched a lot. His junior year we got a new coach and he was cut because of his attitude midway through the year. He transferd to Xavier then to Kaukauna. That seems fine to me if thats where his priorities are then let him be.


Wow, run from your problems rather than change the bad attitude. That sounds like a great life lesson. If you're good at something it's okay to be a jerk somewhere.


Good comment and you did not even jump on the obviously opening about the reason to go to another school...I'd hope it was for a better education. Not sure where he was getting at with his loyalty comment..
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kimberlymanager
I haven't seen the transfer rule affect kimberly in recent years so maybe my opinion would change if it had. Anyway I really don't see why open enrollment was that bad. If you want to go to a different high school to become a better athlete or get more playing time its you and your families choice isn't it? Loyalty shouldn't be forced into every school it should have to be earned. If a isn't loyal enough to stay with thier high school why would you want them in your program? The rule seems to be demanded by the fans of the schools who don't want to see talented players leave thier teams. I know a player who was a real good Baseball player in kimberly he started his sophmore year in right field and pitched a lot. His junior year we got a new coach and he was cut because of his attitude midway through the year. He transferd to Xavier then to Kaukauna. That seems fine to me if thats where his priorities are then let him be.
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sportsfan12
kimberlymanager wrote:


I haven't seen the transfer rule affect kimberly in recent years so maybe my opinion would change if it had. Anyway I really don't see why open enrollment was that bad. If you want to go to a different high school to become a better athlete or get more playing time its you and your families choice isn't it? Loyalty shouldn't be forced into every school it should have to be earned. If a isn't loyal enough to stay with thier high school why would you want them in your program? The rule seems to be demanded by the fans of the schools who don't want to see talented players leave thier teams. I know a player who was a real good Baseball player in kimberly he started his sophmore year in right field and pitched a lot. His junior year we got a new coach and he was cut because of his attitude midway through the year. He transferd to Xavier then to Kaukauna. That seems fine to me if thats where his priorities are then let him be.


What if Kimberly met up with him in the game to go to state and he pitched you out?
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kimberlymanager
My point was programs should have to earn the loyalty of the players rather than just be given it. They should be able to trust their players to stay rather than just have them trapped by some rule. I don't think anyone would leave Kimberly Football or Baseball if they had the option because thats the kind of loyalty they have gotten from the players.
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wisconsinhoops
kimberlymanager wrote:

My point was programs should have to earn the loyalty of the players rather than just be given it.? They should be able to trust their players to stay rather than just have them trapped by some rule.? I don't think anyone would leave Kimberly Football or Baseball if they had the option because thats the kind of loyalty they have gotten from the players.


I talked with a coach in your girls basketball feeder program a few years ago. ?If your other sports programs are run the same way your girls basketball program is, I can see why you have great loyalty from students, parents, and the community. ?Not to mention the success your school's had on the courts and fields as well.
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