miltownhoopsfan

Thoughts, predictions, insight into this Sectional.

The obvious is the possible monster showdown between State Ranked #1 Brookfield Central vs. #2 Milwaukee King just to go to the Sectional Final. Side note - I see that the game location is listed as TBD in the brackets (previously it had said Brookfield East) whereas all the other sectional semi-finals have sights listed - where will that game be played anyone know?

Some possible earlier matchups in this Sectional, however, I think are very, very interesting. Milwaukee Hamilton vs. West Allis Central possibly. Racine Case will have to play either Horlick or Park in 2nd round - either of which is never an easy game for them - kind of a "throw out the records" game. King will probably get a rematch with Riverside in second round. Also - Milwaukee South I think could create some issues for Brookfield Central in second round if they get by Vincent. The possible games on Sat March 1st in this sectional could be quite entertaining.

Is this Brookfield Central's year? #1 ranked in State, beat Germantown - can they get by King?

Can Milwaukee Hamilton finally get by Racine Case in this sectional (2 years in a row Hamilton has lost to Case in sectional semi-final) and make it to the Sectional Final?

If Case beats Hamilton again - can they finally get by King (or possibly Brookfield Central) and finally make it to State?

Will Kevon Looney go his high school career with only one trip to Madison or will Riley LaChance go his high school career without ever making it to Madison? One of these - or both - will happen.
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carpediem32
miltownhoopsfan wrote:

Thoughts, predictions, insight into this Sectional.

The obvious is the possible monster showdown between State Ranked #1 Brookfield Central vs. #2 Milwaukee King just to go to the Sectional Final. Side note - I see that the game location is listed as TBD in the brackets (previously it had said Brookfield East) whereas all the other sectional semi-finals have sights listed - where will that game be played anyone know?

Some possible earlier matchups in this Sectional, however, I think are very, very interesting. Milwaukee Hamilton vs. West Allis Central possibly. Racine Case will have to play either Horlick or Park in 2nd round - either of which is never an easy game for them - kind of a "throw out the records" game. King will probably get a rematch with Riverside in second round. Also - Milwaukee South I think could create some issues for Brookfield Central in second round if they get by Vincent. The possible games on Sat March 1st in this sectional could be quite entertaining.

Is this Brookfield Central's year? #1 ranked in State, beat Germantown - can they get by King?

Can Milwaukee Hamilton finally get by Racine Case in this sectional (2 years in a row Hamilton has lost to Case in sectional semi-final) and make it to the Sectional Final?

If Case beats Hamilton again - can they finally get by King (or possibly Brookfield Central) and finally make it to State?

Will Kevon Looney go his high school career with only one trip to Madison or will Riley LaChance go his high school career without ever making it to Madison? One of these - or both - will happen.



Not sure why that game has a TBD next to it. I assume Brookfield East won the right to host. I can't imagine that King is asking the game to be moved because in past years that have play WAC at WAC in what was supposed to be a neutral site game. My money says the game is played at Brookfield EAST.

Hamilton vs WAC should be a great game. I just think too much Looney and his supporting cast has been playing well as of late to give him the support he deserves.

I think King is happy to avoid a rematch with South. However I think South and Vincent will go to the wire and the winner will be "spent" going into the next day against Brookfield Central.

I think all roads lead to a BC vs King sectional semifinal with the only difference is the "Home" court advantage to BC as the game is in Brookfield. In the end I think King's top 6 is better than Central's top 6 (neither team is deep) and King vs Racine Case will be the Sectional Final.

This sectional is basically Murder's Row.. Who ever comes out will truly be battle tested and deserving of the trip to Madison.

My Pick: King over Case
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brianm12
This Sectional is ridiculous. The WIAA again shows it has little to do on getting the best teams to state with potentially 3 teams capable of getting to state in this section and than more than likely playing Hamilton to get to state. The WIAA needs fresh blood in it.

Having said that it is a shame that King and BC should meet this early. But King has no size. They do have a great high school coach though. But the talent gap this year is to wide for king. BC top 4 are to much for any team in this state. I see no way King wins this game unless someone on BC gets into foul trouble. Two great programs and teams deserve a better stage than a Sectional.
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miltownhoopsfan
brianm12 wrote:
This Sectional is ridiculous. The WIAA again shows it has little to do on getting the best teams to state with potentially 3 teams capable of getting to state in this section and than more than likely playing Hamilton to get to state. The WIAA needs fresh blood in it.

Having said that it is a shame that King and BC should meet this early. But King has no size. They do have a great high school coach though. But the talent gap this year is to wide for king. BC top 4 are to much for any team in this state. I see no way King wins this game unless someone on BC gets into foul trouble. Two great programs and teams deserve a better stage than a Sectional.



Although I understand your concerns - I have softened my stance on this for several reasons and after taking repeated "hits" when discussing this on forums like this.

I personally LOVED the Division 1 Quarterfinal round in Madison. My preference would have been for the WIAA to be able to keep the 8-4-4-4-4 format somehow. The disparity in the number of STUDENTS represented (not number of schools) by the Div. 1 schools is such that I think it justifies more teams at State. But that is for another tired, old, drawn out debate - not here.

Just from a basketball fan point of view - imagine the talent and intensity that quarterfinal round would bring - Central or King vs. Hamilton or Case, Germantown vs. Bay Port or De Pere, Madison Memorial vs. Beloit or Mukwonago. I think state basketball fans outside of Milwaukee who might never get to see Riley LaChance at the State tournament or may only get to see Kevon Looney once (as a sophomore I think) really lose out.

That being said - other sectionals could make similar arguments: Bay Port, DePere, Homestead and Kettle Moraine (all ranked in the Top 10 I believe at some point this year) will most likely not get to make a trip to Madison for a while as long as Germantown is in that sectional. And I am sure there are very talented players on Div. 2 and 3 and 4 teams that we woud love to see in Madison that will not make it.

Also - I think with the proliferation of summer ball and the growing socio-economic influence in youth basketball and traveling teams (let's face it - now you need money to get a kid the opportunities to really develop) the quality of players and teams outside of Milwaukee has improved while Milwaukee city schools programs are less organized with poorer facilities and student populations that move from school to school. Quite simply - the Milwaukee area just does not have the best teams anymore.

As an MPS grad, resident of Milwaukee, and fan of southeast Wisconsin basketball I have adjusted my "fan approach" to this time of year. My State Tournament is really March 6th and 8th - where I will get to see 4 or maybe 5 of the State Div. 1 Top 10 teams at Oak Creek High School or West Allis Central High School for the Sectional Semi-finals and Finals.

Then if I do go to Madison - it will be for Session 5 - the Div. 1 Semi-finals. I will simply purchase a ticket outside from someone and slide down to the lower level. That way I get what I am looking for and the WIAA gets what it is looking for.
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carpediem32
miltownhoopsfan wrote:
brianm12 wrote:
This Sectional is ridiculous. The WIAA again shows it has little to do on getting the best teams to state with potentially 3 teams capable of getting to state in this section and than more than likely playing Hamilton to get to state. The WIAA needs fresh blood in it.

Having said that it is a shame that King and BC should meet this early. But King has no size. They do have a great high school coach though. But the talent gap this year is to wide for king. BC top 4 are to much for any team in this state. I see no way King wins this game unless someone on BC gets into foul trouble. Two great programs and teams deserve a better stage than a Sectional.



Although I understand your concerns - I have softened my stance on this for several reasons and after taking repeated "hits" when discussing this on forums like this.

I personally LOVED the Division 1 Quarterfinal round in Madison. My preference would have been for the WIAA to be able to keep the 8-4-4-4-4 format somehow. The disparity in the number of STUDENTS represented (not number of schools) by the Div. 1 schools is such that I think it justifies more teams at State. But that is for another tired, old, drawn out debate - not here.

Just from a basketball fan point of view - imagine the talent and intensity that quarterfinal round would bring - Central or King vs. Hamilton or Case, Germantown vs. Bay Port or De Pere, Madison Memorial vs. Beloit or Mukwonago. I think state basketball fans outside of Milwaukee who might never get to see Riley LaChance at the State tournament or may only get to see Kevon Looney once (as a sophomore I think) really lose out.

That being said - other sectionals could make similar arguments: Bay Port, DePere, Homestead and Kettle Moraine (all ranked in the Top 10 I believe at some point this year) will most likely not get to make a trip to Madison for a while as long as Germantown is in that sectional. And I am sure there are very talented players on Div. 2 and 3 and 4 teams that we woud love to see in Madison that will not make it.

Also - I think with the proliferation of summer ball and the growing socio-economic influence in youth basketball and traveling teams (let's face it - now you need money to get a kid the opportunities to really develop) the quality of players and teams outside of Milwaukee has improved while Milwaukee city schools programs are less organized with poorer facilities and student populations that move from school to school. Quite simply - the Milwaukee area just does not have the best teams anymore.

As an MPS grad, resident of Milwaukee, and fan of southeast Wisconsin basketball I have adjusted my "fan approach" to this time of year. My State Tournament is really March 6th and 8th - where I will get to see 4 or maybe 5 of the State Div. 1 Top 10 teams at Oak Creek High School or West Allis Central High School for the Sectional Semi-finals and Finals.

Then if I do go to Madison - it will be for Session 5 - the Div. 1 Semi-finals. I will simply purchase a ticket outside from someone and slide down to the lower level. That way I get what I am looking for and the WIAA gets what it is looking for.



well said. I think everyone would be happy with 8-4-4-4-4 set up. It would probably mean having some games on Wednesday (Division 1 quarterfinals). I think the issue with this would be the missed school time as most schools would travel to Madison on that Tuesday.
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brianm12
If it is true that the basketball power have left the Southeastern Wisconsin area, then the out lining state should want more of a spread out seating so more to their teams could get to state. No doubt there are some very good teams outside of the southeastern area but there is little doubt just by numbers a lone that most of the good teams are there.

I would think everyone at the end of the day would want the best two teams playing for the state title not a sectional championship no matter where that section is.
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miltownhoopsfan
brianm12 wrote:
If it is true that the basketball power have left the Southeastern Wisconsin area, then the out lining state should want more of a spread out seating so more to their teams could get to state. No doubt there are some very good teams outside of the southeastern area but there is little doubt just by numbers a lone that most of the good teams are there.

I would think everyone at the end of the day would want the best two teams playing for the state title not a sectional championship no matter where that section is.



I agree to a point, but I think it is impossible not to consider geography to some extent and I think the WIAA has made it clear that it wants some form of partial geographic representation to be part of the equation - for practical reasons (i.e. travel).

I actually didn't mind the ill-fated, highly maligned "Super Tuesday" game in theory (that 8 sectional winners would face off on a neutral court) but I think the problem was that the state colleges did not want to host them. I think that if you could rotate the 8 half sectionals annually to face off against a different half sectional that is worth exploring, but there would be travel and distance considerations there that could be problematic.

That was the nice thing about the old 8-4-4-4-4 set up - once the 8 teams were there in one location travel and distance did not matter. Again, I am obviously bias - but if you look at how many STUDENTS are represented by the schools - then I believe Div. 1 schools represent still over at least a third of the state's student population (I am sure someone has the numbers).

Trying not to re-hash this though ("They keep pulling me back in", Michael Corleone).

As far as this Sectional - I think Hamilton gets by West Allis Central and I actually see them beating Case this year - they are getting hot at the right time.

King vs. Brookfield Central is a tough one. Central is much better and more experienced this year - the King pressure I don't think will rattle them and I am not sure King has the inside presence to deal with Central's front line; however, King never seems to have an inside presence and still has made it to State the past 3 years. Last year I think it took a quarter for Central to get "used to" King's gym. This time - should they meet - it will be at Brookfield East (I believe - although I am not sure that was confirmed) - so I got to give the edge to Brookfield Central.

So - Hamilton vs. Brookfield Central?
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brianm12 wrote:
If it is true that the basketball power have left the Southeastern Wisconsin area, then the out lining state should want more of a spread out seating so more to their teams could get to state. No doubt there are some very good teams outside of the southeastern area but there is little doubt just by numbers a lone that most of the good teams are there.

I would think everyone at the end of the day would want the best two teams playing for the state title not a sectional championship no matter where that section is.


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8-4-4-4-4 will never happen. It'd be going backwards. Regarding arguments (that appear in every sport it seems) that the "true state championship" is played before Madison, I'd guess at least 50% of the time that argument is made, one of the teams that comes out of that game doesn't win state. It's a baseless argument in my view. It'd be no different than claiming Germantown is the state champ this year based on what they did the last two years and what they had coming back. Except sometimes things happen that put an end to that kind of thing, as we've seen with them losing two games this year.
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