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afan1
Mr_mike527 wrote:


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Mr_mike527 wrote:


So that's a lot different than what I was expecting. Still, even though a company makes a banned product, that doesn't make all of their products illegal to use.

If the league knew Starcaps was concealing Bumetanide, there was no reason not to tell the players.

Here's the big problem I see--the league didn't suspend the first player who tested positive because of Starcaps, back in 2006.

Why did the league do this? I don't think there's a reason you can give that will lead to these new players testing positive being justly suspended.


Mind you that was from an agents website but still good info.
To your question about why not tell the players. Simply, it is not required per the C.B.A.
Why did the league do this? I do not know but it really has no bearing on the case before the Judge . IF I was a betting man like GNG I would put hard cash on it but I am not, so will not.

BUT,,,,These guys will sit for 4 games in my opinion and I have researched it a fair amt.

Which 4 games is yet to be determined.




Its not required by the CBA, but if you're employing someone, know that there's a good chance they're doing something that could kill or seriously injure them, and they don't know about it, why wouldn't you help them.

More importantly, why didn't they suspend the first guy? Any answer to that question does not lead to good answers from the NFL.


Just playing the game can lead to injury obviously. Just because they SHOULD do something does not mean that they have to by law and that is the important distinction here. The first guy and his situation has no bearing on this case in my opinion. I think that Judge Homer feels that since the NFL dragged it's feet on this matter so can he. I think the NFL now wishes that they would of brought the case before Judge Doty. He at least is experienced in NFL matters.
I still think that they will sit 4 games but it is looking like it will be the first 4 next year.
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mrmike527
a fan wrote:


Mr_mike527 wrote:


a fan wrote:


Mr_mike527 wrote:


So that's a lot different than what I was expecting. Still, even though a company makes a banned product, that doesn't make all of their products illegal to use.

If the league knew Starcaps was concealing Bumetanide, there was no reason not to tell the players.

Here's the big problem I see--the league didn't suspend the first player who tested positive because of Starcaps, back in 2006.

Why did the league do this? I don't think there's a reason you can give that will lead to these new players testing positive being justly suspended.


Mind you that was from an agents website but still good info.
To your question about why not tell the players. Simply, it is not required per the C.B.A.
Why did the league do this? I do not know but it really has no bearing on the case before the Judge . IF I was a betting man like GNG I would put hard cash on it but I am not, so will not.

BUT,,,,These guys will sit for 4 games in my opinion and I have researched it a fair amt.

Which 4 games is yet to be determined.




Its not required by the CBA, but if you're employing someone, know that there's a good chance they're doing something that could kill or seriously injure them, and they don't know about it, why wouldn't you help them.

More importantly, why didn't they suspend the first guy? Any answer to that question does not lead to good answers from the NFL.


Just playing the game can lead to injury obviously. Just because they SHOULD do something does not mean that they have to by law and that is the important distinction here. The first guy and his situation has no bearing on this case in my opinion. I think that Judge Homer feels that since the NFL dragged it's feet on this matter so can he. I think the NFL now wishes that they would of brought the case before Judge Doty. He at least is experienced in NFL matters.
I still think that they will sit 4 games but it is looking like it will be the first 4 next year.


Again though, the first case is the dealbreaker for the NFL here. What was different in that guy's case from the present five cases?
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afan1
I honestly know little about the FIRST guy's case because he was not forced to sit and little has been put out there except by the Legal team of the players or union. You have to remember that this same union is backing someone who took a loaded ( no registered ) gun into a nightclub. They will back anyone what pays union dues.


EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -The NFL Players Association filed a grievance on Tuesday challenging the suspension and fine given to Plaxico Burress by the New York Giants after the receiver accidentally shot himself in a nightclub more than a week ago.
The union said that the team violated the collective bargaining agreement last week when it placed Burress on the reserve-non football injury list, suspended him for the final four games of the regular season and fined him an additional week's salary for conduct detrimental to the team.


On a side note,,

Minnesota Vikings Pro Bowl defensive tackle Pat Williams has suffered a shoulder injury that will sideline him two to six weeks, Vikings coach Brad Childress said today.

Williams has a fractured scapula, Childress said. Williams was hit by teammate Chad Greenway on a play early in the third quarter, and had a sling on after Sunday's 35-14 victory over the Arizona Cardinals.

If Williams is out, the Vikings would count on Fred Evans and Jimmy Kennedy to fill the void. The Vikings could also turn to Ellis Wyms and Brian Robison.



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I honestly know little about the FIRST guy's case because he was not forced to sit and little has been put out there except by the Legal team of the players or union. You have to remember that this same union is backing someone who took a loaded ( no registered ) gun into a nightclub. They will back anyone what pays union dues.

On a side note,,

Minnesota Vikings Pro Bowl defensive tackle Pat Williams has suffered a shoulder injury that will sideline him two to six weeks, Vikings coach Brad Childress said today.

Williams has a fractured scapula, Childress said. Williams was hit by teammate Chad Greenway on a play early in the third quarter, and had a sling on after Sunday's 35-14 victory over the Arizona Cardinals.

If Williams is out, the Vikings would count on Fred Evans and Jimmy Kennedy to fill the void. The Vikings could also turn to Ellis Wyms and Brian Robison.


Looks like he is out 2-6 weeks!
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Coach40 wrote:


a fan wrote:


I honestly know little about the FIRST guy's case because he was not forced to sit and little has been put out there except by the Legal team of the players or union. You have to remember that this same union is backing someone who took a loaded ( no registered ) gun into a nightclub. They will back anyone what pays union dues.

On a side note,,

Minnesota Vikings Pro Bowl defensive tackle Pat Williams has suffered a shoulder injury that will sideline him two to six weeks, Vikings coach Brad Childress said today.

Williams has a fractured scapula, Childress said. Williams was hit by teammate Chad Greenway on a play early in the third quarter, and had a sling on after Sunday's 35-14 victory over the Arizona Cardinals.

If Williams is out, the Vikings would count on Fred Evans and Jimmy Kennedy to fill the void. The Vikings could also turn to Ellis Wyms and Brian Robison.


Looks like he is out 2-6 weeks!


He mine as well drop his appeal now and serve the 4 game suspension.
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coach40
Quinnster10 wrote:


Coach40 wrote:


a fan wrote:


I honestly know little about the FIRST guy's case because he was not forced to sit and little has been put out there except by the Legal team of the players or union. You have to remember that this same union is backing someone who took a loaded ( no registered ) gun into a nightclub. They will back anyone what pays union dues.

On a side note,,

Minnesota Vikings Pro Bowl defensive tackle Pat Williams has suffered a shoulder injury that will sideline him two to six weeks, Vikings coach Brad Childress said today.

Williams has a fractured scapula, Childress said. Williams was hit by teammate Chad Greenway on a play early in the third quarter, and had a sling on after Sunday's 35-14 victory over the Arizona Cardinals.

If Williams is out, the Vikings would count on Fred Evans and Jimmy Kennedy to fill the void. The Vikings could also turn to Ellis Wyms and Brian Robison.


Looks like he is out 2-6 weeks!


Which is the smart thing to do if you really think about it. If he drops it he would be eligble for the NFC Championship if the Queens get that far. I think they may make a run in the playoffs. Sadly they remind me of last years Giants. Not to flashy but did just enough to win. The question that will remain though is do you let TJack continue or put in an inept, immobile Ferrotte?

He mine as well drop his appeal now and serve the 4 game suspension.


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MINNEAPOLIS (AP)?A federal judge has dismissed most of the claims by two [link=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/min/;_ylt=AtLMEu4s.zHapatNHiYP7xwdsLYF]Minnesota Vikings[/link] stars facing suspension over their positive test for a banned diuretic.

U.S. District Judge Paul A. Magnuson on Friday remanded two of the claims by Vikings defensive tackles [link=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6345/;_ylt=AlYyed3iBnnhB9w64lTPPnAdsLYF]Kevin Williams[/link][link=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6345/news;_ylt=And0ecQvMqI0JwtmLzq_osIdsLYF](notes)[/link] and [link=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4117/;_ylt=Ai1V2kT__cuc3K..o4pLdXMdsLYF]Pat Williams[/link][link=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4117/news;_ylt=Aq.Rq1Go0EKnnPczYNVYoxUdsLYF](notes)[/link] to state court.

But Magnuson threw out most of the Williamses? claims and dismissed a lawsuit brought by the NFL players union on behalf of the Williamses and three [link=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nor/;_ylt=Ah69NMRnJMWWBjzj7UROw1sdsLYF]New Orleans Saints[/link] players also facing suspension.

Attorneys for the union and the Williamses argued that league officials knew a supplement called StarCaps contained a banned diuretic back in 2006 and did not specifically notify players.


But the judge agreed with the NFL that players are responsible for what is in their bodies.

KIND OF WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD HAPPEN..THE BIG BOYS MIGHT SIT FOR THE FIRST 4 GAMES OF THE SEASON,,




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