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Public or private, urban or rural, it doesn't matter, Thorp played the better game today. They might not have had the better team on paper, but they played the better game and they'll go back to Thorp with a gold ball in tow.
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To reply to WIAC's comment, Pulaski was a team N.E.W. added that fits this type of play (I believe Shiocton is quite physical as well). But at the same time, these two along with Fall River were three teams N.E.W. struggled with.

Thinking back to last year's game and this year's as well, once the opponent dictated the slower tempo, could really see N.E.W.'s shooters tense up with thinking about how much more the basket mattered since there would be fewer chances at it.

Thorp was really able to maintain composure, and then play more relaxed in the second half (compared to N.E.W.) and make the shots they needed to.
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whfan202 wrote:
Public or private, urban or rural, it doesn't matter, Thorp played the better game today. They might not have had the better team on paper, but they played the better game and they'll go back to Thorp with a gold ball in tow.


A tale of two halves...and Thorp played better in the more important half.
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onpackerland wrote:
To reply to WIAC's comment, Pulaski was a team N.E.W. added that fits this type of play.

Thinking back to last year's game and this year's as well, once the opponent dictated the slower tempo, could really see N.E.W.'s shooters tense up with thinking about how much more the basket mattered since there would be fewer chances at it.

Thorp was really able to maintain composure, and then play more relaxed in the second half (compared to N.E.W.) and make the shots they needed to.

Pulaski and Fall River (and maybe even Shiocton) are both opponents that one would think would play a more physical style of play. I guess coming off a State Runner-up finish, I would have tried to pick up a couple more teams to challenge my team, even if it came at the expense of a couple of losses.

Maybe it's just me, but I would have been looking more big-picture... Regardless, still a nice season by NEW Lutheran.
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db11 wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
thecrackerjack wrote:
NEW's kryptonite the last couple years are teams that play physical, slow the game, and dictate the pace of play.

This makes two years in a row that the most talented team in the state's smallest division, in my opinion, has come up short in the title game.

Might be a good idea for NEW to try and find a couple of teams that fit that style for their NC schedule in the future, since they have eight NC games to play with...


All three of their title game losses have that common thread...run wild on Thursday, get stonewalled on Saturday.

That my friends, is a pattern.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that a team from the always rugged Cloverbelt was able to do this.


Thorp is the UW Badgers of the CBELT, always tough and try to dictate tempo. Did it to Fall Creek in what should have been their 2nd trip to state 4 yrs ago.
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sp0rtsfan
db11 wrote:
I just think that when you see a team making a run, you can't sit on your hands and keep two of your best players on the bench....foul trouble or not.

This is the last game of the year, can't hold anything back.

By the time Toenjes and Zimmerman re-entered the game, the complexion had changed and NEW Lutheran was suddenly playing on their heels.


Agreed. Never a fan of that by the book benching of players.
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wcbsas
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
wcbsas wrote:
treycrew44 wrote:
Too bad these teams had to meet in the semifinals.

Thorp's schedule is solid but SAL is definitely the 2nd best D5 team in the state and I could make a case that #3, 4 & 5 all come from SAL's sectional as well. NEW Lutheran is a very very good senior ladened team. Margin of victory in the final will likely be larger than 14.

Oops...

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Cold. Congratulations on Thorp's victory. Very unexpected.
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formerwiacbaseballer
wcbsas wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
wcbsas wrote:
treycrew44 wrote:
Too bad these teams had to meet in the semifinals.

Thorp's schedule is solid but SAL is definitely the 2nd best D5 team in the state and I could make a case that #3, 4 & 5 all come from SAL's sectional as well. NEW Lutheran is a very very good senior ladened team. Margin of victory in the final will likely be larger than 14.

Oops...

How would the two of you like your crow served? Warm or cold?
Cold. Congratulations on Thorp's victory. Very unexpected.

Give you credit for actually replying.... Most of the time posters never return to comment on a thread when a comment they made ends up blowing up in their face.
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miltownhoopsfan wrote:
notahomer wrote:
miltownhoopsfan wrote:
thecrackerjack wrote:
miltownhoopsfan wrote:
OK my early assessment following this Thorp game is that it really disproved the stereotype that these smaller school basketball teams/programs are fundamentally sound - if thats even a stereotype that exists. Or maybe it goes more like "what they lack in height and athletic ability they make up for in solid fundamentals, smart play, and good teamwork". I dunno. But at any rate - this game did not support that.

I don't know much about these schools or these two teams so I don't want to offend anyone but the fundamentals in this game were atrocious. The turnovers. The missed free throws. The bad passes. The lack of boxing out.

Don't get me wrong - the effort was there, but this one was tough to watch. Maybe nerves played a role.


I've seen the same type of games from schools of all sizes so make sure you post this same complaint again for D1 and D2 schools...possibly later today.



I most certainly will if I observe the same type of play.


miltownhoppsfans assessment of the Thorpe - C-FC game is spot-on. How many lay-ups followed by second chance shots did C-FC miss badly? miltownhoopsfan couldn't have been any more PC in his comment. The title of this thread is D5 State Tournament Discussion not Make Sure You Point Out Mis-Cues In D1 and D2 So That Justifies Same In D5.



Thank you. I didn't think it was totally out of line. Plus, I did think the GB NEW Lutheran-Sheboygan Lutheran game was well played by both teams.


My apologies for the snarky retort miltownhoopsfan. After reading through the public/private mess of a thread, I read way, way too much into your post for some reason.

Two quick points, I did not call you or anyone else an idiot. Second, I would still like to see 8 D1 teams at state, but logistically, not sure how that would happen with the 5 division setup.
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nospotshooters wrote:
These two games were perfect examples for people who complain about the fifth division; as well as those who complain about private schools in lower divisions.

This could get ugly on Saturday.



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fbbbman
kidkash wrote:
I guess Thorp and perhaps the Cloverbelt is a bit better than people have made them seem the last two days. If Thorp can hang on does that mean CFC is as good as GBNL is? [] I Do agree Thorp is horrendous with free throws.



Could be, the Dairyland Conference had 2 teams at state this year.....
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