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Gard himself has said his biggest mistake as head coach was playing young guys with potential instead of experience , let the one and done go elsewhere .








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wiscopetty
Wisconsin would (and should) take guys like Stone, Herro, Johnson, etc. in a heartbeat. Even if they're only here for a year, it's hard to say they would be stealing minutes from the typical Wisconsin freshman. And they could provide a bridge between recruiting classes when some guys aren't physically ready to play quite yet.
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gstacy
Hands are kind of tied if the upper classmen cannot produce. I think it was a mistake not playing Reuvers more as a freshman. Kobe and Strickland as well.
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kenny78
It seems to me that the question is more about can they cut it academically. I suspect that is what keeps UW from going after some of these guys that you are talking about.
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thecrackerjack
gstacy wrote:
Hands are kind of tied if the upper classmen cannot produce. I think it was a mistake not playing Reuvers more as a freshman. Kobe and Strickland as well.


What are you talking about? Reuvers burned a redshirt to play his freshman year, King got hurt his freshmen year, and what has Strickland shown to prove he is close to being a steady player?
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wiscopetty
kenny78 wrote:
It seems to me that the question is more about can they cut it academically. I suspect that is what keeps UW from going after some of these guys that you are talking about.
Except that they've gone hard after all three of the recruits I listed above – they just didn't land them. There are certainly players that UW steers clear of from the get-go, but they simply lost the horse race for guys like Stone, Herro, and (very likely) Johnson. 

Then again, I think the whole "UW is too tough academically for some athletes" is basically a crock, but that's a different discussion.
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thecrackerjack
wiscopetty wrote:
Except that they've gone hard after all three of the recruits I listed above – they just didn't land them. There are certainly players that UW steers clear of from the get-go, but they simply lost the horse race for guys like Stone, Herro, and (very likely) Johnson. 

Then again, I think the whole "UW is too tough academically for some athletes" is basically a crock, but that's a different discussion.


They were outbid for Stone. 
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They were outbid for Stone. 


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gstacy
What are you talking about? Reuvers burned a redshirt to play his freshman year, King got hurt his freshmen year, and what has Strickland shown to prove he is close to being a steady player?
Reuvers sat on the bench for the majority of the beginning of the season, why? because with all of Wisconsin's depth up front they were going to redshirt him? That was the plan? And what else, he wasn't physically able to handle the physical play? Is that the story?
Kobe played 10 games. Of those 10 games had a "limit" on his minutes. how did that work out? Strickland, idk why he isn't playing, I would say if he is on the roster he should be getting 8-10 minutes per game as I have seen what he can do and he can contribute to the guard depth. But that is water under the bridge. I'm not the coach these are just my observations.
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thecrackerjack
gstacy wrote:
What are you talking about? Reuvers burned a redshirt to play his freshman year, King got hurt his freshmen year, and what has Strickland shown to prove he is close to being a steady player?
Reuvers sat on the bench for the majority of the beginning of the season, why? because with all of Wisconsin's depth up front they were going to redshirt him? That was the plan? And what else, he wasn't physically able to handle the physical play? Is that the story?
Kobe played 10 games. Of those 10 games had a "limit" on his minutes. how did that work out? Strickland, idk why he isn't playing, I would say if he is on the roster he should be getting 8-10 minutes per game as I have seen what he can do and he can contribute to the guard depth. But that is water under the bridge. I'm not the coach these are just my observations.


1. Reuvers was going to redshirt because he wasn't physically ready to play. He put on 20 pounds from last season and still gets thrown around. 
2. King was just starting to come into his own. In the game prior to his injury, UW ran a play for him with 10 seconds remaining to take the winning shot. Then he got hurt.
3. What has Strickland shown other than a penchant for going to fast and turning the ball over in his limited minutes?
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gstacy
Nate and King were ready to play and were in the top half of last years team, only a dummy would keep them on the bench.
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thecrackerjack
gstacy wrote:
Nate and King were ready to play and were in the top half of last years team, only a dummy would keep them on the bench.


Reuvers eventually played out of necessity since the others couldn't hack it. 
King did play up until he was hurt.
What about Strickland?
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traviswilson
Reuvers was not ready to play last year and shouldn't have played last year. The fact that the upperclass group of bigs that included AVV, Thomas, and Illikainen was so horrible is the only reason he got thrown in to the fire. It cost him a year of what could be elite level basketball at the end of his career (what would have been his fifth year or redshirt senior year).

King was playing better, but still adjusting to the college game when he was injured. I don't think his minutes were out of line one bit. As we've seen this year, perhaps (hopefully) because of the injury, he's still limited in ways this year and has been wildly inconsistent. Hopefully next year when he's another year removed from injury his explosiveness will improve to allow him to attack the basket off the dribble. That is a significant missing piece of his game, and this Badgers team in general.

Strickland has been not just not ready to play this year, but downright bad. Plays a million miles an hour with no plan of what he wants to accomplish. His shooting is poor, his ballhandling is weak, he can't get to the rim very well. He has the skills to be a solid defender, but doing so in a team concept that the Badgers team takes time and further physical maturity. Quite honestly I'm fearful of turning the point over to him when Trice leaves.
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gstacy
matter of opinion, you work those 2 guys into the lineup rather than hold them back because they are freshmen, it's up to the coaching staff. my opinion is they would have been fine, better than several who were ahead of them in the rotation. I guess I didn't see any better options ahead of them other than the starters.
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