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rodey
WR_88 wrote:


I can think of 7 drum players who are better than Carter without even trying.
-Buddy Rich (He set the standard for drum playing.... any style, any time signature.....)
-Gene Krupa (Sing, Sing, Sing.....)
-Ed Shaughnessy (very comparable to Rich. Johnny Carson's drum player.)
-Neil Peart (Best drum player alive, as well as best since Rich. Not to mention the lyricist to Rush.)
-Alex Van Halen (Hot For Teacher......self taught.....enough said.)
-Rick Allen (Even with 1 arm, he whips Carter.)
-John Bonham (Even though I dont even like him, he is better than Beauford.)

Id also like to say that the bands associated with these drummers are, by far, better than DMB. The Jazz bands you can't really compare to DMB, such different styles.

But I do give Carter the nod over Joey Jordison (Slipknot) That guy is a tool. All he can do is a double pedal, and he is sloppy, at best, at that skill.


Without even trying? What does that mean? They could not try and still be better than Carter? Because that's a joke. Carter's hands are ridiculously fast. He can cover what I believe 24 piece kit and make it look easy. Not to mention his versatility is amazing. I'm not saying he's better than everyone on your list, but Carter is able to change time signatures within a song extremely well and he can go from pounding out a rock song like Hey Hey, My My to diving into a much more meticulous song like #41 the next song. I don't think there are a whole lot of drummers who can play the variety of songs that he does as well as him.

And DB, I'm not even going to address your comments anymore. You're pretty self-righteous when it comes to discussions about music and more often than not, your opinion is the correct one. This topic has nothing to do with hyping up DMB or their new album. It's to give Carter props for his drum work on the new album. The album could have sucked and I would have said the same thing had his drumming been the same. But I guess you don't get it.


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With all due respect, Rodey, you are the one that is plainly being self-rightous in the fact that you can't concede a point totally.

That is all.
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rodey
Why would I concede my opinion?
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wr88
Rodey wrote:


Bonham is legendary because he's probably the most innovative drummer ever and created his own unique voice on the instrument. Obviously drumming progresses over time and that's why I guess it's really hard to compare the two. From what I've been told by several people I know who play the drums and have more knowledge than I in the music field, what Bonham did is nothing that's all that impressive by modern standards, it's just that back then, he came out and did something that no one else had done/was doing. Other than having a ridiculously fast right foot, I don't think there's anything Bonham did with his hands that Carter can't do.

I will agree that Neal Peart is better than Carter though.

But Carter's diversity is second to none and what he does within a different variety of songs is amazing. The majority of DMB's catalog of music is much more complex and all over the board than that of some of the rock drummers you listed.

It really is all a matter of opinion and what you like though I guess. Honestly, it's sad that no one has even mentioned guys like Buddy Rich and Max Roach because I think they're every bit as important to drumming as Bonham.

As far as modern era drumming goes, I don't think anyone is better than Carter except for maybe Danny Carey, but you could debate that.


Read my previous posts. Ive mentioned 3 of the 4 greats (Rich, Krupa, Shaughnessy) I always draw a blank on Roach for some reason, but he is awesome.

I still challenge the diversity of music claim. DMB has a wide range of music they play, but look at the whole Queen library. Like I mentioned, the Rock, the practically metal of Brighton Rock and Sheer Heart Attack. the ballads, the funk, the Dixie Land/Rags....Even a Waltz. Roger has proven he can do it very well. He is also a classically trained vocalist with a falsetto voice and was Freddie's back-up singer, but in Freddie's absence has taken more of a lead vocalist role. As far as I know Carter dosen't sing and play at the same time, but being able to keep the leg and arm rhythem split from the Vocal rhythm is very difficult, but he can do it.

I'm a drum player. And I draw my inspirations from Peart, Van Halen, and Roger Taylor, and I will admit I'm not a Led Zep/Bonham fan. No disrespect to the band, or Bonham's accomplishments but their music just dosent do it for me, as well as his style dosent do it for me. I guess really, I'm waiting for the significant contribution to the drum playing, as in something really innovative like the Pearts, Bonhams, Rich, etc.. have made from Carter.
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Rodey wrote:


WR_88 wrote:


I can think of 7 drum players who are better than Carter without even trying.
-Buddy Rich (He set the standard for drum playing.... any style, any time signature.....)
-Gene Krupa (Sing, Sing, Sing.....)
-Ed Shaughnessy (very comparable to Rich. Johnny Carson's drum player.)
-Neil Peart (Best drum player alive, as well as best since Rich. Not to mention the lyricist to Rush.)
-Alex Van Halen (Hot For Teacher......self taught.....enough said.)
-Rick Allen (Even with 1 arm, he whips Carter.)
-John Bonham (Even though I dont even like him, he is better than Beauford.)

Id also like to say that the bands associated with these drummers are, by far, better than DMB. The Jazz bands you can't really compare to DMB, such different styles.

But I do give Carter the nod over Joey Jordison (Slipknot) That guy is a tool. All he can do is a double pedal, and he is sloppy, at best, at that skill.


Without even trying? What does that mean? They could not try and still be better than Carter? Because that's a joke. Carter's hands are ridiculously fast. He can cover what I believe 24 piece kit and make it look easy. Not to mention his versatility is amazing. I'm not saying he's better than everyone on your list, but Carter is able to change time signatures within a song extremely well and he can go from pounding out a rock song like Hey Hey, My My to diving into a much more meticulous song like #41 the next song. I don't think there are a whole lot of drummers who can play the variety of songs that he does as well as him.

And DB, I'm not even going to address your comments anymore. You're pretty self-righteous when it comes to discussions about music and more often than not, your opinion is the correct one. This topic has nothing to do with hyping up DMB or their new album. It's to give Carter props for his drum work on the new album. The album could have sucked and I would have said the same thing had his drumming been the same. But I guess you don't get it.


I was referring to myself naming 7 drums players who are better than Carter without trying. Just throwing names out there, just knowing their background.

Yea. I agree his hands are fast. But I dont think he matches a Buddy Rich type speed. But then again Buddy is a whole different level. On the same token, he I doubt he can match a Neil Peart speed.
Neil's inspirations growing up on the skins were: John Bonham, Mitch Mitchelson, as well as Rich. I believe, as well as coutless others, think he has surpassed all of them but Rich. Peart has even talked about when the first "Buddy Rich Memorial Concert" came about that he litereally re-taught himself how to play to mimick the style that Rich made so famous. Peart retaught himself how to play with a traditional grip instead of the matched that he grew up on, and switches the styles he plays with when he plays with Rush. Peart also has a much larger kit than Carter does. I'm not saying that how big the kit soley dictates how fast you move, but I am saying that Peart moves around as fast if not faster with more. As far as time signatures... Peart takes that argument. Listen to Spirit of Radio, YYZ, Tom Sawyer..... try to count the different time signatures..... the complexity that he fills those time signitures with is second to none. Bonham used a different theory. He did the same weird time signatures, but kept the beets more basic, and he made them so basic, they are real hard to duplicate.
Carter's feet are fast with that double pedal. But again, I dont think he matches an Alex Van Halen.
If you want to talke versatility, look at Roger Taylor from QUEEN..... Thats versatility. Hard rock of Tie Your Mother Down and I Want it all to what was considered metal at the time of Sheer Heart Attack. Then to the soft ballads of Just One year of love and Only the Good Die Young. The Funk of Dragon Attack, Dixieland/Rag of Seaside Rondevous and Big Bad Leroy Brown and Opera of Bohemian Rhapsody. This guy has done it all, and continues to do it all.

Rodey, I by no means think Carter is a hack. He is one of the better ones out there right now. But to say he surpasses a legend...... one of the best.......like Bonham, without reaching that type of status (legendary)? Thats ignorant.
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rodey
WR_88 wrote:

Read my previous posts. Ive mentioned 3 of the 4 greats (Rich, Krupa, Shaughnessy) I always draw a blank on Roach for some reason, but he is awesome.

I still challenge the diversity of music claim. DMB has a wide range of music they play, but look at the whole Queen library. Like I mentioned, the Rock, the practically metal of Brighton Rock and Sheer Heart Attack. the ballads, the funk, the Dixie Land/Rags....Even a Waltz. Roger has proven he can do it very well. He is also a classically trained vocalist with a falsetto voice and was Freddie's back-up singer, but in Freddie's absence has taken more of a lead vocalist role. As far as I know Carter dosen't sing and play at the same time, but being able to keep the leg and arm rhythem split from the Vocal rhythm is very difficult, but he can do it.

I'm a drum player. And I draw my inspirations from Peart, Van Halen, and Roger Taylor, and I will admit I'm not a Led Zep/Bonham fan. No disrespect to the band, or Bonham's accomplishments but their music just dosent do it for me, as well as his style dosent do it for me. I guess really, I'm waiting for the significant contribution to the drum playing, as in something really innovative like the Pearts, Bonhams, Rich, etc.. have made from Carter.


Yeah, I saw you mentioned Rich after I made that post, so my mistake.

As far as Carter singing and playing, he does. He's been the backup vocalist since the beginning and he also enjoys blowing the occasional bubble with his gum in the middle of going nuts. I really find drummers amazing, their ability to do so much at the same time is incredibly impressive.

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rodey
Bonham is legendary because he's probably the most innovative drummer ever and created his own unique voice on the instrument. Obviously drumming progresses over time and that's why I guess it's really hard to compare the two. From what I've been told by several people I know who play the drums and have more knowledge than I in the music field, what Bonham did is nothing that's all that impressive by modern standards, it's just that back then, he came out and did something that no one else had done/was doing. Other than having a ridiculously fast right foot, I don't think there's anything Bonham did with his hands that Carter can't do.

I will agree that Neal Peart is better than Carter though.

But Carter's diversity is second to none and what he does within a different variety of songs is amazing. The majority of DMB's catalog of music is much more complex and all over the board than that of some of the rock drummers you listed.

It really is all a matter of opinion and what you like though I guess. Honestly, it's sad that no one has even mentioned guys like Buddy Rich and Max Roach because I think they're every bit as important to drumming as Bonham.

As far as modern era drumming goes, I don't think anyone is better than Carter except for maybe Danny Carey, but you could debate that.
I may be wrong, but I doubt it "I do have one question: Have you ever seen Gollum, John Clayton and Sam Cassell in the same place before?" - Charles Barkley
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roadkill1
Rodey wrote:


Why would I concede my opinion?


UHHHHH....cause it's wrong??

just sayin'

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