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I hope the Brewers aren't done yet. They still have holes to fill in the pitching rotation. One could argue the Brewers only have 2 playoff caliber pitchers in Sheets and Capuano. If they don't spend some money this offseason, I will not support them this season at Miller Park.
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pinetar
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Explain to me how Jackson is ready. He had like a 5.00+ era and gave up 48 hits in 38.1 innings or something like that.


wow, for someone who was so high on this guy last year when the crew got him, you sure have changed your mind fast...

i never said he was READY to be ben sheets...i said he has the stuff and should be on the opening day roster, and i never said he had to be a starter...throwing around stats is one thing...you sure do alot of that...but experience at the major league level no matter what your stats are can only benefit you...plus jackson has alot more upside then downside...
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lg11
I havent changed my mind. He just didnt show me enough for me to put him on the opening day roster based on what he did in the majors last year. Its not a good sign when a pitcher is giving up a lot more than a hit per inning. Yes I am high on him and Bush, but I just dont think Jackson is ready yet. I still think he'll be a good MLB pitcher. That doesnt mean I dont think he shouldnt start the year on the MLB roster, if he does well in the off season stuff and spring training and earns it yes he should be on the opening day roster. I was just asking why you thought he should be on the opening day roster, and maybe you should make yourself clear if you think he should be a reliever or starter.
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pinetar
i never had to state he was on either, im just saying i think he will be on the opening day roster, depending on the moves the brewers make will decide if hes in the pen or not...the guys got a rocket for an arm so he could come out of the pen...but im sure the brewers want to use him as a starter...i never argued where he would be and i dont plan on it until the brewers are done making moves...
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longball12
Shouse is ONLY effective when used properly. He is a situational lefty and that is it. You can't leave him out there for a full inning to get pounded by righties. He throws pillows up there. He got worn out cause Yost misused him last year. Like I said, situational lefty and I have no problem with him.
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roadkill1
Longball,
I didn't get to post on this, but as a baseball "student-of-the-game," this trade is awesome for the Brewers.
If Estrada isn't the bad guy I have heard the Crew is solid up the middle.

The peice they needed most was a quality Catcher.

CF is not perfect, but I don't think they have been hurt by that spot, and I think they are in good shape there for next season!

C-Estrada/Miller--Very good
SS/2B--Hall, Hardy, Weeks,--Very good
CF--???? Clark?? OK.
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yfinn6_old
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Longball,
I didn't get to post on this, but as a baseball "student-of-the-game," this trade is awesome for the Brewers.
If Estrada isn't the bad guy I have heard the Crew is solid up the middle.

The peice they needed most was a quality Catcher.

CF is not perfect, but I don't think they have been hurt by that spot, and I think they are in good shape there for next season!

C-Estrada/Miller--Very good
SS/2B--Hall, Hardy, Weeks,--Very good
CF--???? Clark?? OK.


I can agree with this for the most part. I still think that if Melvin/Yost are committed to Hardy that Hall should go to CF and Mench/Jenkins (if they aren't traded) can platoon in a corner spot with Hart taking the other spot. I'd rather see a Jenkins/Mench platoon because they can produce more than Clark/Gross could in CF if Hall were given the LF spot.

I pretty much posted this exact same thing on brewerfan.net, the whole Hall/Hardy debate is raging over there.
"It's not the players losing games, it's Ned Yost." - OnWisconsin2007 - 26 April 2008
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longball12
I don't think there is any doubt in anyone's mind that Hardy has the talent to play the position. I am as diehard as they get for Bill Hall. I think the Wild Card in this situation is Koskie. Just what are we going to get? Is he going to be fully recovered? If no, then the answers are simple. Hall plays third. As for Hall in the outfield, I love it that the guy is optimistic and willing to play the outfield. With a gun like him and his speed, centerfield would not be a bad position for him. Ilove him in the infield too. As long as he is on the field somewhere, then we'll be ok.
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yfinn6_old
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As long as he is on the field somewhere, then we'll be ok.



That's pretty much my feeling too. However Hall is quickly going to become VERY expensive. If this years FA market is any indication of the future FA markets then Hall could wind up getting 10-20 mil per, which is why I am open to the idea of trading him. I like him a lot, and he can be an offensive force, but I am more willing to put my proverbial egg's in Weeks and Fielder's basket. At this point in his career Weeks looks better than Hall did when he was 23,24 IMO.
"It's not the players losing games, it's Ned Yost." - OnWisconsin2007 - 26 April 2008
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longball12
In 3 years we'll have one of the higher priced infields in all of baseball. The same example you show with Hall is going to apply for Fielder and Weeks in 2 years. We're "screded" either way. If you want to actually build a winning franchise, and Mark does, then you develop these young guys and when they start performing them, you pay them. Right now we're getting a great deal for the 4 studs on the infield. Hopefully they start paying off this year with wins. Then once the wins start coming in, so does the revenue. With the revenue coming in, up goes the salary. So, we have to pay him sooner or later. Why not build the franchise on Hall, Weeks, Hardy and Fielder. What's wrong with that? Why do people always think we need to change and trade. Change is not always good, especially in baseball.
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yfinn6_old
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What's wrong with that? Why do people always think we need to change and trade. Change is not always good, especially in baseball.


I didn't say we NEEDED to trade Hall, I was saying that I could understand it if we did, and if we did we had better get something damn good for him.

Hall, Weeks, Fielder, Sheets, Capuano, Braun?, etc, are all going to command a lot of money in the 5 years. We are not going to be able to keep all of them, of the 6 listed there I'd say maybe 3. Braun will get his pay day a little further down the road as he hasn't put any big league time in quite yet.

Fielder could get 15-20 mil per if he continues to improve, and at 22 I don't see any reason why he would be peaking now. Weeks is a bit of a question mark, will he live up to the potential? If he does I could see him getting that money, especially if his D improves and he stays at 2nd. So let's just say that's 20-40 mil per year for two guys. Now add in Sheets with his 10 mil per + contract that's roughly what our payroll is now. We're not going to be able to keep all these guys no matter how much revenue we draw because we are in such a small market, maybe if we got some kind of deal with FSN to show our games on TV we could generate even more revenue, such as the way the Yankees do with YSN or whatever their station is.

Point is, I don't want to get rid of ANY of these guys - but it's going to happen. Hall has two years of arby left if I am remembering correctly, and after that I would think he's as good as gone. He's already turned down a long term contract offer, and his pricetag is only going to go up.
"It's not the players losing games, it's Ned Yost." - OnWisconsin2007 - 26 April 2008
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longball12
He turned down the long-term deal because it is better for him to wait until his contract is up to get more money. I am realistic Finn. I know we can't keep everyone, or can we? Who knows what the financial situation will be in 2 years. I can guarantee if you put a winning team out on the field, the fans will show up. I just talked to my ticket guy yesterday, cause our bill is due 12/15, and he said ticket sales for the new packages are already up from last year and he doesn't have a single season ticket holder that he's talked to say they will not renew. I think ticket sales will be up again this year. Revenues will be up as well. Sad that Yount is gone, and in a way, I think that may hurt some sales, but the future only looks brighter.

There is no reason that the Crew couldn't be in the $80-$90 mil range in 2 years. They made a lot of money last year, and are on pace to make more this year as well. As long as they put a good product on the field, the fans will come. Sure we won't be selling out every night, but if they can get 20-25,000 in the spring a night and maintain that on weekdays in the summer, Mark will be rolling in the dough. Good things will happen.
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Packfan_old
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