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travis12
CnCsion wrote:


CnCsion wrote:


Just a little strategy talk, I want to hear other's opinions.

Guys on 2nd and 3rd and 1 out, isn't it better to swing at a pitch low and away and hit a dribbler to the 2nd basemen than to walk and open up any grounder to double play.

I think walking in that sit is the worst thing to do next to k'in.



Just bumping this, I'm curious to hear opinions.


I think it depends on a lot of variables, including 1) who the hitter is, if it's Kendall than hell yes, if it's Braun or someone like that, no; 2) who the guy on deck is, if it's Kendall or the pitcher then yes, if it's Braun then you let them load it up; 3) game situation, if you're down one, then yes you do it; if it's early then you play for the big inning. So a lot of variables go into it.
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holmes23
CnCsion wrote:


CnCsion wrote:


Just a little strategy talk, I want to hear other's opinions.

Guys on 2nd and 3rd and 1 out, isn't it better to swing at a pitch low and away and hit a dribbler to the 2nd basemen than to walk and open up any grounder to double play.

I think walking in that sit is the worst thing to do next to k'in.



Just bumping this, I'm curious to hear opinions.


I would much rather have bases loaded and 1 out then guy on 3rd with 2 outs and a run scored(assuming when you say a dribbler to 2nd that run scores?) There are alot more opportunities for a huge inning with the bases loaded. I dont think there is ever a situation where a walk is a bad thing
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70runner
CnCsion wrote:


CnCsion wrote:


Just a little strategy talk, I want to hear other's opinions.

Guys on 2nd and 3rd and 1 out, isn't it better to swing at a pitch low and away and hit a dribbler to the 2nd basemen than to walk and open up any grounder to double play.

I think walking in that sit is the worst thing to do next to k'in.



Just bumping this, I'm curious to hear opinions.


I think this was in reference to JJ's walk. I don't think you ever expand your strike zone or pass up a walk in front of Braun and Fielder. Its almost like saying you don't trust your studs to get the job done. Just my opinion and I am far from a baseball manager. []
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roadkill1
70runner wrote:


CnCsion wrote:


CnCsion wrote:


Just a little strategy talk, I want to hear other's opinions.

Guys on 2nd and 3rd and 1 out, isn't it better to swing at a pitch low and away and hit a dribbler to the 2nd basemen than to walk and open up any grounder to double play.

I think walking in that sit is the worst thing to do next to k'in.



Just bumping this, I'm curious to hear opinions.


I think this was in reference to JJ's walk. I don't think you ever expand your strike zone or pass up a walk in front of Braun and Fielder. Its almost like saying you don't trust your studs to get the job done. Just my opinion and I am far from a baseball manager. []


I always want the pitcher to throw as many pitches as I can make him throw.
Because that gets him close to a MISTAKE!!

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wizzler
DB wrote:


Wizzler wrote:


DB wrote:


Wizzler wrote:


DB wrote:


justjon007 wrote:


I feel bad for Yo with the loss today. Anytime your pitcher gives up one run on five hits and strikes out twelve in seven innings there is no way he should take the loss...


On the flip side, Gallardo seems to have a propensity for losing these low-scoring games.

At some point, Gallardo needs to be the pitcher avoiding that one mistake (Inge in the Tigers game, for example) that leads to the loss in game's like these.

Also, when was the last time Gallardo helped himself out and actually got a hit? He's been slumping majorly at the plate after that hot start.


If you are trying to play devils advocate save yourself the effort, it is not what we need right now.

First off, 1 run loss, not his fault. He keep up his end of the deal, if he gets "outdueled" by Mike Pelfrey that is all on the offense.

He can't be prefect, the brewer offense had 27 chances to do something and they failed. If he doesn't make that one mistake we are probably still in extras.

I don't care if he is on a slump he has still won 2 games this year with this bat. Asking Yo to do everything is just not realistic. If a pitcher gets a hit, it is a bonus, if he gets an rbi it is an extra bonus. It is not something to be expected.

Yo is a Cy Young caliber pitcher and today the offense was just dreadful. That is all it is, there is no flip side.


No sh**, Sherlock.

I just posted some thoughts I had going through my head...It was hardly an indictment that Gallardo wasn't holding up his end of the bargain...just that the team's track record isn't good in close games he starts...


E** a D***

When you say things like the bolded part, it sounds like(actually) you are blaming him.

He could loss the next 100 games 1-0 and I wouldn't blame him for one or for having a "propensity for losing these low-scoring games."


Well, in a pitcher's duel...it does usually come down to who makes the bigger mistake, doesn't it?

It's not today's result so much, as it is the Tigers' game that illustrates my point.

This whole thing was just a thought I had...his "luck" in pitcher's duels hasn't been so good. I don't know whether the resulting discussion has been a good or bad thing though.


Of course it does, but look at his opponent. And the brewers had chances. First and Second, no outs...nothing. Fielder gets to second, tries going to third with no outs....nothing. Counsell on second one out....still nothing. If it was Tim Lincecum, Johan Santana, Matt Cain etc etc the squandering of opportunities is a little more forgiveable.

And it is not like the big mistake bug pops up often. This is his 4th start that ended in a 1-0 score. His record is 2-1 with a no decision. In really close low scoring games, he has only giving up one run....today. I guess you can included the Detroit game in there too but what do you consider a pitchers duel? What about the giants game where he homered? That was a pitchers duel until he jacked a homer. That sample is a 3-2-1 record in his favor. His bad performances just aren't there like you say they are.

You just made it sound like "luck" was only his doing, and whatever, I am over it.

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