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laxarea
j_townsupporter wrote:


I agree with what longball said, you don't become a buyer now or a seller (sort of)

As he pointed out, people are saying to dump suppan and hall, noone will want them at their salaries. and for the type of market milwaukee is, they can't afford to eat that type of a salary for a player not on their team.

At this point, the only player I see trading off would be cameron, because he's played well enough to warrant a decent value in return. People say trade hoffman, ok maybe but then that really leaves a HUGE hole for ANY hope in the bullpen. Trading Cameron you could live with and still be competitive, trading your closer with noone to replace him isn't smart. Plus people could say, plug coffey in as closer, but then that eliminates a reliable arm out of the pen that can go 2-3 innings.

There is still a while to play yet, it's one game [], but there is still a lot of ball to play instead of just selling off everything. And someone mentioned prince's value now...Now isn't the time to move him if you're looking to move him. The off-season would be because you're not going to get a return for him now (looking at the market) that you'd want for him.

I'm talking about the off-season; the Fielder comment was in regard to talking about how to bring more young arms into the organization; not for this year/trade deadline. Sorry for the mix-up.

As for this year I do think you make the calls and see what your 2-month remaining players could get you. Waving the white flag wouldn't bother me at all. Like RK said I think Hoffman has value, someone may want a guy like Cameron, Looper would be about the 3rd best starter on the market, and Todd Coffey might be a guy someone would give you a mid-level prospect for at this time of the year. Any of the four would hurt this team; I'm not sure how you think they can just trade Cameron and be fine ... but I would be fine with getting a little something in return for a season likely nowhere.

I also know it will NEVER happen because we're putting 3 million fans in Miller Park this year and they won't give the impression they're giving up; even though it would probably be the best thing for the organization to consider. Therefore I just hope they ride out what they've got, continue to evaluate the guys they need to make the decision on for this off-season, and then make the necessary changes for 2010.

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laxarea
pistolpetefan23 wrote:


laxarea wrote:


pistolpetefan23 wrote:


del wrote:


Basically I believe we can all agree the Brewers are not going to make the playoffs this season. The starting rotation is not deep enough as seems to be the story year after year. Also, I think most of us do not have hope of signing Prince Fielder to a long term contract. If this is the case and they believe Gamel is going to be the future first baseman. I think you need to start thinking as a seller and the future, what is Fielder worth in a trade.

He is under contract for next season. He is probably worth more in a trade now than what he will be at the trade deadline next year. I know this will cause an uproar, but can the Brewers afford him after next season.


Everyone forgets Fielder is actually under team control until after 2011, and can't become a free agent until then.

I haven't forgotten anything; he signed a 2-year extension in the winter. He is a free agent after 2010. I don't WANT them to move him. I think the Brewers need to acquire a young, stud arm and there's only one piece they have that can do that. I also am not comforted by the two compensatory picks he will get them when he walks in FA after next year.

Based on all the dead money coming off the books after next year ... Suppan, Hall, Riske ... I would rather see them get something from Fielder for 2011 and beyond than ride out the Fielder going away tour. If he would give them an indication he's willing to sign long-term; all bets are off.


He did sign a two-year extension, buying out his first two years of arbitration eligibility, but he still is arbitration eligible and therefore under team control until after 2011. He won't be a free agent able to sign with any club until after 2011.

This chart explains it: [link=http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p4ew-fwu2XT3ddd43YDhgJQ]http://spreadsheets.goo...=p4ew-fwu2XT3ddd43YDhgJQ[/link]

Now I'm with you ... thanks for the chart. My sincere apologies for doubting you on that. I "mis-remembered" him balking at their renewal as an arbitration year where he felt they undervalued him (2008). You're correct; FA after 2010 is a huge misconception in the fan-base right now. I appreciate you correcting my ignorance on this one (that's in all honesty).

The timing is much better with that money coming off the books.
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longball12
pistolpetefan23 wrote:

He did sign a two-year extension, buying out his first two years of arbitration eligibility, but he still is arbitration eligible and therefore under team control until after 2011. He won't be a free agent able to sign with any club until after 2011.

This chart explains it: [link=http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p4ew-fwu2XT3ddd43YDhgJQ]http://spreadsheets.goo...=p4ew-fwu2XT3ddd43YDhgJQ[/link]


Nicely done. I never knew that either. Wow, I bet 90% of the fan base thinks he is gone after next year as a FA, maybe more.
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travis12
longball wrote:


pistolpetefan23 wrote:

He did sign a two-year extension, buying out his first two years of arbitration eligibility, but he still is arbitration eligible and therefore under team control until after 2011. He won't be a free agent able to sign with any club until after 2011.

This chart explains it: [link=http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p4ew-fwu2XT3ddd43YDhgJQ]http://spreadsheets.goo...=p4ew-fwu2XT3ddd43YDhgJQ[/link]


Nicely done. I never knew that either. Wow, I bet 90% of the fan base thinks he is gone after next year as a FA, maybe more.


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reedsburgsports
As everyone else is saying, thanks for the clarification on Fielder. I thought he was a FA after next year too.

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bbmason57
Thanks for the information. I was one of the people thinking Prince was done after 2010. I stand corrected.
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souvenircity
del wrote:


As everyone else is saying, thanks for the clarification on Fielder. I thought he was a FA after next year too.


Same here, nice work pistolpetefan23!

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derek_old
Say the Brewers would have traded Prince last off-season for Matt Cain.

Where are the Brewers now?

Better? Same? Worse?


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adamhansen
derek wrote:


Say the Brewers would have traded Prince last off-season for Matt Cain.

Where are the Brewers now?

Better? Same? Worse?


Same. We would still have horrible pitching with Suppan or McClung or Parra.
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souvenircity
derek wrote:


Say the Brewers would have traded Prince last off-season for Matt Cain.

Where are the Brewers now?

Better? Same? Worse?


A close worse. Our pitching would have been upgraded well, but our only consistant bat in the line-up leaving would have been a huge loss to the offensive game.

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souvenircity
What are some options for the Brewers in center field next year? I know a lot of people like Cain, but he more than likely won't be ready by then. I don't know how the Brewers could do it, but Nyger Morgan is a stud. In my opinion, he is the fastest guy in the MLB. They had a timer on SportsCenter on how fast he went from home to first, and he got a time of 3.5 seconds. That's track sprinter speed right there.

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