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Since we're talking about Gamel on here, rumors of a Gamel - Brandon Morrow trade with Seattle. What's your guys thoughts on this? It would fill a pitching hole in the rotation but also give up a lefty bat with a bright future....
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diener34
I would do Gamel for Morrow
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lg11
Bluechip wrote:


Morrow is a mediocre middle reliever. In his first three seasons, Carlos Villanueva outperformed Morrow's first three seasons, despite Villanueva being a year younger at those times.

I'll concede that Morrow has a lot of untapped raw potential, but he's only had one above-average season in his first three (2008), and he was far from closer-quality in that season. I've never been a big Gamel supporter, but if a middle reliever who hits arbitration before Gamel is all the Brewers can net in a trade, then I'd rather hold on to Gamel and see what he can do.


Morrow is better than mediocre, I would put him as good and he has the potential to be great, but I've read that the Blue Jays are going to use him as a starter. I don't really see how Villanueva out performed Morrow. I'm not going to break down what they did as a starter and reliever but Villanueva only leads in three things; walks, whip and innings. Morrows whip is so "crappy" because he doesn't have the control that Villanueva does, which is common with young hard throwers.
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lg11
Bluechip wrote:


LG wrote:
Bluechip wrote:
Morrow is a mediocre middle reliever. In his first three seasons, Carlos Villanueva outperformed Morrow's first three seasons, despite Villanueva being a year younger at those times.

I'll concede that Morrow has a lot of untapped raw potential, but he's only had one above-average season in his first three (2008), and he was far from closer-quality in that season. I've never been a big Gamel supporter, but if a middle reliever who hits arbitration before Gamel is all the Brewers can net in a trade, then I'd rather hold on to Gamel and see what he can do.

Morrow is better than mediocre, I would put him as good and he has the potential to be great, but I've read that the Blue Jays are going to use him as a starter. I don't really see how Villanueva out performed Morrow. I'm not going to break down what they did as a starter and reliever but Villanueva only leads in three things; walks, whip and innings. Morrows whip is so "crappy" because he doesn't have the control that Villanueva does, which is common with young hard throwers.


Morrow has a lot of potential, but in two of his three seasons he has basically been an average pitcher. "Mediocre" might not have been the correct word for me to use; "average" is probably more appropriate. And he has said that he prefers pitching from the bullpen, and that is why Seattle kept him there last season. A pitcher who has been an average reliever for two of the past three years just doesn't strike me as somebody with much value, even if he does have some potential.


I'd go as far as to say that the past three years he's been above average and has the potential to be very good. 3.96 era, .223 opps batting average, 1.47 whip and more strikeouts than innings pitched. The fact that he's 25, throws mid to high 90s, and has the ability to be a closer or (right now) 3rd or 4th starter boosts his value a lot. I guess I just don't see how you don't think he has value.

He started the season in the bullpen as Seattles closer until he had one horrible month. Then they moved him back to a starter where he pitched a ton better from. The Jays have a lack of starters so it only makes sense that he'll be starting in Toronto, whether or not it's what he wants to do.
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bluechip
LG wrote:
Bluechip wrote:
Morrow is a mediocre middle reliever. In his first three seasons, Carlos Villanueva outperformed Morrow's first three seasons, despite Villanueva being a year younger at those times.

I'll concede that Morrow has a lot of untapped raw potential, but he's only had one above-average season in his first three (2008), and he was far from closer-quality in that season. I've never been a big Gamel supporter, but if a middle reliever who hits arbitration before Gamel is all the Brewers can net in a trade, then I'd rather hold on to Gamel and see what he can do.

Morrow is better than mediocre, I would put him as good and he has the potential to be great, but I've read that the Blue Jays are going to use him as a starter. I don't really see how Villanueva out performed Morrow. I'm not going to break down what they did as a starter and reliever but Villanueva only leads in three things; walks, whip and innings. Morrows whip is so "crappy" because he doesn't have the control that Villanueva does, which is common with young hard throwers.


Morrow has a lot of potential, but in two of his three seasons he has basically been an average pitcher. "Mediocre" might not have been the correct word for me to use; "average" is probably more appropriate. And he has said that he prefers pitching from the bullpen, and that is why Seattle kept him there last season. A pitcher who has been an average reliever for two of the past three years just doesn't strike me as somebody with much value, even if he does have some potential.
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