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diener34
Well, short of making the playoffs, the next best option is worst record and #1 draft pick, right?

Diener34 is officially on the tank after 9 games. He has also begun talking in the 3rd person for some reason.
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cgrade23
wr88 wrote:
I figured the series would go 2-1 in favor of St. Louis. I just figured Wainwright would win and Lackey would lose. Either way, I'll take it.

Milwaukee is in serious trouble. Sure, just 9 games in, but I do not see ANY improvement in the team, especially in the pitching rotation. Lohse, Garza, Peralta, Fiers, Nelson? That strikes no fear into me. Lohse has done nothing since he left St. Louis. Garza has never been consistently good, Peralta is young, but I do not think last year is a good barometer of what he really has. Fiers, as I said to my friends last year, is a perfect case of being new on the scene and a decent pitcher, but once teams see him and study him, they'll figure him out. ALSO, how much of it is a hangover from hitting Stanton in the face? I know I wouldn't be the same after having something like that happen to me. Nelson, who may be the bright spot in the rotation, is young, and may be another case of Fiers. It's a long season with a lot yet to see out of the rotation, but so far, they're living up to expectations.

[h]Now, take off the Brewers glasses and look at it as just a fan of MLB. Who, in their right mind (someone who wants to win and be in contention for pennants) would want to join Milwaukee as a Free Agent?[/h]

I agree with many here, Melvin and Ronny boy need to go if Milwaukee wants to build into a spoiler. Maybe Round II in Pittsburgh will be different than Round I in Milwaukee, but at this point, I'd doubt it.


I agree with you for the most part, and I understand that no one in the rotation strikes fear into anyone, but at the same time, the starting pitching has not been that bad. It is tough to pitch knowing that you have to nearly shut out a team because the team is not scoring runs or the fielding behind you may not support you. The pitching has kept the team in games and the hitting has let the team down. I do agree with the statement that the team has not improved. This team is making so many fundamental mistakes that is discouraging.
I do have a question about the highlighted statement. Do you mean players would not want to come this team with the current GM and manager, or they would not want to come here period?
"If I had nine of my fingers missing I wouldn't type any slower." ~ Mitch Hedberg
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safetysqueezepleezzee11
cgrade23 wrote:
wr88 wrote:
I figured the series would go 2-1 in favor of St. Louis. I just figured Wainwright would win and Lackey would lose. Either way, I'll take it.

Milwaukee is in serious trouble. Sure, just 9 games in, but I do not see ANY improvement in the team, especially in the pitching rotation. Lohse, Garza, Peralta, Fiers, Nelson? That strikes no fear into me. Lohse has done nothing since he left St. Louis. Garza has never been consistently good, Peralta is young, but I do not think last year is a good barometer of what he really has. Fiers, as I said to my friends last year, is a perfect case of being new on the scene and a decent pitcher, but once teams see him and study him, they'll figure him out. ALSO, how much of it is a hangover from hitting Stanton in the face? I know I wouldn't be the same after having something like that happen to me. Nelson, who may be the bright spot in the rotation, is young, and may be another case of Fiers. It's a long season with a lot yet to see out of the rotation, but so far, they're living up to expectations.

[h]Now, take off the Brewers glasses and look at it as just a fan of MLB. Who, in their right mind (someone who wants to win and be in contention for pennants) would want to join Milwaukee as a Free Agent?[/h]

I agree with many here, Melvin and Ronny boy need to go if Milwaukee wants to build into a spoiler. Maybe Round II in Pittsburgh will be different than Round I in Milwaukee, but at this point, I'd doubt it.


I agree with you for the most part, and I understand that no one in the rotation strikes fear into anyone, but at the same time, the starting pitching has not been that bad. It is tough to pitch knowing that you have to nearly shut out a team because the team is not scoring runs or the fielding behind you may not support you. The pitching has kept the team in games and the hitting has let the team down. I do agree with the statement that the team has not improved. This team is making so many fundamental mistakes that is discouraging.
I do have a question about the highlighted statement. Do you mean players would not want to come this team with the current GM and manager, or they would not want to come here period?



HITTING is the strength of this team......Remember, all the EXPERTS said so - it has to be!

Two problems with the management:
1. RR and Melvin are Mark A.'s lackeys and basically have to run everything thru Mark A.
2. Mark A. wants to be every players buddy - stupid way to run a team -DONT FALL IN LOVE WITH YOUR PLAYERS

When Mark A. decides to keep his beak out, hires a GM with 'power', who then hires a field manager who will
not simply try to keep players happy - that will be the start of a way to build a solid team.
To 'rent' a guy or sign older pitchers(or pitchers who have always underperformed), just is not the way GOOD owners
build teams. Doing stuff for the 'moment' has to end and they need to build the team for the future.

Segura is a solid player but NOT a ML shortstop. They have to move him to 2nd base where he belongs.
That would be a start. Gennett..........don't ever see him hitting enough to validate playing him. Probably a solid
bench player. Lind is a solid start. Lucroy and Muldy are solid catchers. OF's are ok. The team will need a ss and
3rd baseman. If they could trade Gomez for a young 3rd baseman or ss, it would be a good move.
The team will have to live with it's pitching - Lohse and Garza are at best #5 starters on a good team, so they
hold no worth. Brewers will simply have to overpay them till the contracts are done.
Peralta and Nelson look like keeper. Fiers - who knows?
I don't 'get' spending so much on 2 closers. No team would have signed K-rod for that kind of money. Broxton?? - not
really sure why they have him on the team at this point. Seemed like a reach last year as the Brewer hitting is what
kept them out of the playoffs last year.
Many of these moves were owner moves and that rarely works.
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cgrade23
Dear Mr. Attanasio,
As I am sure you are well aware, the Brewers are not doing so well. If the Brewers continue to not do so well and you decide to fire Ron, could you do us fans a favor and fire Melvin too? If we don't have much to cheer about as far as the team performance goes, at least let us cheer the removal of the architect.
Signed,
The Fans that pay to watch your team.
"If I had nine of my fingers missing I wouldn't type any slower." ~ Mitch Hedberg
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wr88
roadkill1 wrote:
Here is the scary part.
When the brewers reach 6~20, which I predict, RR gets fired but Melvin hires the new manager.
Which could even be worse![]


RK



La Russa. You'll win.
A Playoff will not be any more fair than the BCS.
No matter what happens, Favre > Rodgers.
St. Louis Cardinals = Class of MLB.
Carlos Gomez is the new Nyjer Morgan.....
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wr88
I figured the series would go 2-1 in favor of St. Louis. I just figured Wainwright would win and Lackey would lose. Either way, I'll take it.

Milwaukee is in serious trouble. Sure, just 9 games in, but I do not see ANY improvement in the team, especially in the pitching rotation. Lohse, Garza, Peralta, Fiers, Nelson? That strikes no fear into me. Lohse has done nothing since he left St. Louis. Garza has never been consistently good, Peralta is young, but I do not think last year is a good barometer of what he really has. Fiers, as I said to my friends last year, is a perfect case of being new on the scene and a decent pitcher, but once teams see him and study him, they'll figure him out. ALSO, how much of it is a hangover from hitting Stanton in the face? I know I wouldn't be the same after having something like that happen to me. Nelson, who may be the bright spot in the rotation, is young, and may be another case of Fiers. It's a long season with a lot yet to see out of the rotation, but so far, they're living up to expectations.

Now, take off the Brewers glasses and look at it as just a fan of MLB. Who, in their right mind (someone who wants to win and be in contention for pennants) would want to join Milwaukee as a Free Agent?

I agree with many here, Melvin and Ronny boy need to go if Milwaukee wants to build into a spoiler. Maybe Round II in Pittsburgh will be different than Round I in Milwaukee, but at this point, I'd doubt it.
A Playoff will not be any more fair than the BCS.
No matter what happens, Favre > Rodgers.
St. Louis Cardinals = Class of MLB.
Carlos Gomez is the new Nyjer Morgan.....
Twitter
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cgrade23
safetysqueezepleezzee11 wrote:
cgrade23 wrote:
wr88 wrote:
I figured the series would go 2-1 in favor of St. Louis. I just figured Wainwright would win and Lackey would lose. Either way, I'll take it.

Milwaukee is in serious trouble. Sure, just 9 games in, but I do not see ANY improvement in the team, especially in the pitching rotation. Lohse, Garza, Peralta, Fiers, Nelson? That strikes no fear into me. Lohse has done nothing since he left St. Louis. Garza has never been consistently good, Peralta is young, but I do not think last year is a good barometer of what he really has. Fiers, as I said to my friends last year, is a perfect case of being new on the scene and a decent pitcher, but once teams see him and study him, they'll figure him out. ALSO, how much of it is a hangover from hitting Stanton in the face? I know I wouldn't be the same after having something like that happen to me. Nelson, who may be the bright spot in the rotation, is young, and may be another case of Fiers. It's a long season with a lot yet to see out of the rotation, but so far, they're living up to expectations.

[h]Now, take off the Brewers glasses and look at it as just a fan of MLB. Who, in their right mind (someone who wants to win and be in contention for pennants) would want to join Milwaukee as a Free Agent?[/h]

I agree with many here, Melvin and Ronny boy need to go if Milwaukee wants to build into a spoiler. Maybe Round II in Pittsburgh will be different than Round I in Milwaukee, but at this point, I'd doubt it.


I agree with you for the most part, and I understand that no one in the rotation strikes fear into anyone, but at the same time, the starting pitching has not been that bad. It is tough to pitch knowing that you have to nearly shut out a team because the team is not scoring runs or the fielding behind you may not support you. The pitching has kept the team in games and the hitting has let the team down. I do agree with the statement that the team has not improved. This team is making so many fundamental mistakes that is discouraging.
I do have a question about the highlighted statement. Do you mean players would not want to come this team with the current GM and manager, or they would not want to come here period?



HITTING is the strength of this team......Remember, all the EXPERTS said so - it has to be!

Two problems with the management:
1. RR and Melvin are Mark A.'s lackeys and basically have to run everything thru Mark A.
2. Mark A. wants to be every players buddy - stupid way to run a team -DONT FALL IN LOVE WITH YOUR PLAYERS

When Mark A. decides to keep his beak out, hires a GM with 'power', who then hires a field manager who will
not simply try to keep players happy - that will be the start of a way to build a solid team.
To 'rent' a guy or sign older pitchers(or pitchers who have always underperformed), just is not the way GOOD owners
build teams. Doing stuff for the 'moment' has to end and they need to build the team for the future.

Segura is a solid player but NOT a ML shortstop. They have to move him to 2nd base where he belongs.
That would be a start. Gennett..........don't ever see him hitting enough to validate playing him. Probably a solid
bench player. Lind is a solid start. Lucroy and Muldy are solid catchers. OF's are ok. The team will need a ss and
3rd baseman. If they could trade Gomez for a young 3rd baseman or ss, it would be a good move.
The team will have to live with it's pitching - Lohse and Garza are at best #5 starters on a good team, so they
hold no worth. Brewers will simply have to overpay them till the contracts are done.
Peralta and Nelson look like keeper. Fiers - who knows?
I don't 'get' spending so much on 2 closers. No team would have signed K-rod for that kind of money. Broxton?? - not
really sure why they have him on the team at this point. Seemed like a reach last year as the Brewer hitting is what
kept them out of the playoffs last year.
Many of these moves were owner moves and that rarely works.


I agree. I would also say, as many other before have said, that this team has no leader in the clubhouse. When the Brewers made the playoffs, Fielder was the man. Who is the man now? Who is going to jump on the other guys for under performing. A coach/manager can only do so much (not excusing RR) and someone needs to hold the others accountable. I have coached high school football for many years now, and when the team lacks player leadership, typically the team under performs. When a coach gets after the players, it works up to a certain point, but when a peer that is respected does it as well, then things start to change and improve. I understand baseball is a different game, but the premise still holds true.
"If I had nine of my fingers missing I wouldn't type any slower." ~ Mitch Hedberg
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roadkill1
Here is the scary part.
When the brewers reach 6~20, which I predict, RR gets fired but Melvin hires the new manager.
Which could even be worse![]


RK
"So what is big is not always the Trout nor the Deer but the chance, the being there. And what is full is not necessarily the creel nor the freezer, but the memory." ~ Aldo Leopold
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wr88
cgrade23 wrote:
wr88 wrote:
I figured the series would go 2-1 in favor of St. Louis. I just figured Wainwright would win and Lackey would lose. Either way, I'll take it.

Milwaukee is in serious trouble. Sure, just 9 games in, but I do not see ANY improvement in the team, especially in the pitching rotation. Lohse, Garza, Peralta, Fiers, Nelson? That strikes no fear into me. Lohse has done nothing since he left St. Louis. Garza has never been consistently good, Peralta is young, but I do not think last year is a good barometer of what he really has. Fiers, as I said to my friends last year, is a perfect case of being new on the scene and a decent pitcher, but once teams see him and study him, they'll figure him out. ALSO, how much of it is a hangover from hitting Stanton in the face? I know I wouldn't be the same after having something like that happen to me. Nelson, who may be the bright spot in the rotation, is young, and may be another case of Fiers. It's a long season with a lot yet to see out of the rotation, but so far, they're living up to expectations.

[h]Now, take off the Brewers glasses and look at it as just a fan of MLB. Who, in their right mind (someone who wants to win and be in contention for pennants) would want to join Milwaukee as a Free Agent?[/h]

I agree with many here, Melvin and Ronny boy need to go if Milwaukee wants to build into a spoiler. Maybe Round II in Pittsburgh will be different than Round I in Milwaukee, but at this point, I'd doubt it.


I agree with you for the most part, and I understand that no one in the rotation strikes fear into anyone, but at the same time, the starting pitching has not been that bad. It is tough to pitch knowing that you have to nearly shut out a team because the team is not scoring runs or the fielding behind you may not support you. The pitching has kept the team in games and the hitting has let the team down. I do agree with the statement that the team has not improved. This team is making so many fundamental mistakes that is discouraging.
I do have a question about the highlighted statement. Do you mean players would not want to come this team with the current GM and manager, or they would not want to come here period?


I am saying come to Milwaukee Period. First chance Sabathia, Fielder, and Greinke got to bolt, they did, and they went to teams that have contended. There was no intention of loyalty, just more or less a launching pad to bigger and better things.
I know this is an aspect that has so many different angles to consider and discuss.
Milwaukee is a mid-small market launching pad to mid-large market teams that can and do consistently win. Who would want to go to Milwaukee to try to maybe have a chance to win a pennant once or twice in your career as opposed to going to LA, St. Louis (Who is mid-level), Detroit, where you have a chance to win several pennants in a short period of time?
A Playoff will not be any more fair than the BCS.
No matter what happens, Favre > Rodgers.
St. Louis Cardinals = Class of MLB.
Carlos Gomez is the new Nyjer Morgan.....
Twitter
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cgrade23
wr88 wrote:
cgrade23 wrote:
wr88 wrote:
I figured the series would go 2-1 in favor of St. Louis. I just figured Wainwright would win and Lackey would lose. Either way, I'll take it.

Milwaukee is in serious trouble. Sure, just 9 games in, but I do not see ANY improvement in the team, especially in the pitching rotation. Lohse, Garza, Peralta, Fiers, Nelson? That strikes no fear into me. Lohse has done nothing since he left St. Louis. Garza has never been consistently good, Peralta is young, but I do not think last year is a good barometer of what he really has. Fiers, as I said to my friends last year, is a perfect case of being new on the scene and a decent pitcher, but once teams see him and study him, they'll figure him out. ALSO, how much of it is a hangover from hitting Stanton in the face? I know I wouldn't be the same after having something like that happen to me. Nelson, who may be the bright spot in the rotation, is young, and may be another case of Fiers. It's a long season with a lot yet to see out of the rotation, but so far, they're living up to expectations.

[h]Now, take off the Brewers glasses and look at it as just a fan of MLB. Who, in their right mind (someone who wants to win and be in contention for pennants) would want to join Milwaukee as a Free Agent?[/h]

I agree with many here, Melvin and Ronny boy need to go if Milwaukee wants to build into a spoiler. Maybe Round II in Pittsburgh will be different than Round I in Milwaukee, but at this point, I'd doubt it.


I agree with you for the most part, and I understand that no one in the rotation strikes fear into anyone, but at the same time, the starting pitching has not been that bad. It is tough to pitch knowing that you have to nearly shut out a team because the team is not scoring runs or the fielding behind you may not support you. The pitching has kept the team in games and the hitting has let the team down. I do agree with the statement that the team has not improved. This team is making so many fundamental mistakes that is discouraging.
I do have a question about the highlighted statement. Do you mean players would not want to come this team with the current GM and manager, or they would not want to come here period?


I am saying come to Milwaukee Period. First chance Sabathia, Fielder, and Greinke got to bolt, they did, and they went to teams that have contended. There was no intention of loyalty, just more or less a launching pad to bigger and better things.
I know this is an aspect that has so many different angles to consider and discuss.
Milwaukee is a mid-small market launching pad to mid-large market teams that can and do consistently win. Who would want to go to Milwaukee to try to maybe have a chance to win a pennant once or twice in your career as opposed to going to LA, St. Louis (Who is mid-level), Detroit, where you have a chance to win several pennants in a short period of time?

Then all of these other markets like Milwaukee have zero chance to be competitive. What about the Chicago teams? Is KC, SD, or even Seattle, which does not have a history of being successful, desirable place to go? Robinson Cano saw the dollar signs and bolted.
Here is the reality. The reason Milwaukee is not a destination of choice all has to do with leadership. I think the cities of Milwaukee and St. Louis are similar in that they are both former blue collar, industrial cities that are trying to reinvent themselves. Who says "I want to be in St. Louis". If the St. Louis as a baseball organization had been run the way the Brewers have been run, I would guarantee that no one would want to go there either. What makes them so greatly different, in terms of baseball, is the fact the Cards have been competently run for so many years and the Brewers have not. That is what makes Milwaukee a less desirable place to go. So I would have to disagree with your assessment...it is the management that makes the difference. Look up the historical stats on how the Brewers try to be cheap with their payroll to put together a competitive team. Look at this year. They sign K Rod to a 2 year deal for $13 million and trade for Broxton who is getting $9 million this year. Money worth spending? Right now, they way it looks,..no. It has everything to do with management. Be smart with the money, be smart with the prospects and the farm system, you will have success.
"If I had nine of my fingers missing I wouldn't type any slower." ~ Mitch Hedberg
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