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KGK_old
DKelly28 wrote:


KGK wrote:


DKelly28 wrote:


KGK wrote:


DKelly28 wrote:


Yeah, an average musician that is able to sing at an unbelievable level, play the accordion at a virtuoso level and even play the guitar, harmonica and or any other misc. instrument that is needed. Seriously, you have no IDEA what level of skill is needed in order to put out what he puts out for 30+ years.

Yeah Cobain was a whiner, [], its not like grunge absolutely blew up rock music and destroyed the staleness that had grown in music that had grown thanks to an overabundance of hair metal (and I love hair metal). His influence on music and done in just a few years is amazing.


I didn't say Cobain didn't change music and that he didn't help bring grunge music into it's own. I said he was a whiner. I'm not going to hide it, I'm biased, I hate grunge music.

Weird Al is a great accordion player, okay. He can play the guitar and the harmonica. So can a lot of people and a lot of people who are better musicians than him can't. Your whole argument is based on my ignorance that I don't know anything about Weird Al, who I think is a funny comedian and who I've "followed" for a while now. I'm not as ignorant on the subject as you think, I'm just opinionated, much like yourself. Don't take it so personal. This is the exact same way it escalated a few years ago. You said something, I disagreed and then you get offended. I know how to strike a nerve, don't I? []


I don't even know what the heck you are talking about here, as far as I can remember I wasn't involved in that whole situation that I'm thinking of.



I remember it like it was yesterday. []

You said something about how people on "American Idol" can never be good musicians and I said even though I hate the show, I think talented people can come off of that show. It escalated much like this one. Let's face it, we agree on lots of things but music clearly isn't one of them.


I vaguely remember that argument. I still stand by it for the most part although I am a Daughtry fan. American Idol COULD be a good show if it wasn't about showcasing awful singers at the beginning and a lot of music that I just don't care for. If they included more artists like Daughtry who were more hard rock than pop or R&B based, then I would watch it. Basically if it was more about the music than a stupid contest to see who wins, I would enjoy it.

FYI - I do seem to remember you enjoyed Taylor Hicks's music quite a bit so I thank him for Do I Make You Proud for inspiring Al's Do I Creep You Out.



That's funny because Daughtry was a major part of the argument for me. Taylor Hicks is a great performer. I've seen him live but his career has been destroyed by American Idol, actually. He wouldn't have been known without it but he would have been better off musically. I have heard the Weird Al parody and it made me laugh, but I don't think it's great musicianship. I listen to the Howard Stern Show every day and they have a guy on there called "Dan the Song Parody Man" who does great work but I wouldn't push for him to put in the Hall of Fame.
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KGK_old
I'm not saying this as my opinion, I'm not sure. I just want to instigate a little, I guess.

Would Nirvana and Kurt Cobain be as big as they are if he hadn't killed himself or would they be the equivalent of a band like Poison? I could see Cobain touring county fairs the world over.
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db11
KGK wrote:


I'm not saying this as my opinion, I'm not sure. I just want to instigate a little, I guess.

Would Nirvana and Kurt Cobain be as big as they are if he hadn't killed himself or would they be the equivalent of a band like Poison? I could see Cobain touring county fairs the world over.


Death always helps somebody (see Jackson, Michael), still if you think that is the sole reason for Nirvana's "hugeness," then I have to disagree.

As far as Cobain doing county fairs, that might be the farthest thing from what they'd probably be doing (after all, they weren't the Spin Doctors). The guy was barely interested in playing the big tours and was pulling back on his celebrity at the time of his death. I wouldn't be surprised if he had become more reclusive post-1994 while Grohl and Novoselic worked on other projects...maybe ended the band altogether. I could actually see them taking a similar path to that of Alice In Chains, where the frontman didn't care/wasn't healthy enough to do much touring towards the end and the band pretty much went on indefinite hiatus.
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DB wrote:


KGK wrote:


I'm not saying this as my opinion, I'm not sure. I just want to instigate a little, I guess.

Would Nirvana and Kurt Cobain be as big as they are if he hadn't killed himself or would they be the equivalent of a band like Poison? I could see Cobain touring county fairs the world over.


Death always helps somebody (see Jackson, Michael), still if you think that is the sole reason for Nirvana's "hugeness," then I have to disagree.

As far as Cobain doing county fairs, that might be the farthest thing from what they'd probably be doing (after all, they weren't the Spin Doctors). The guy was barely interested in playing the big tours and was pulling back on his celebrity at the time of his death. I wouldn't be surprised if he had become more reclusive post-1994 while Grohl and Novoselic worked on other projects...maybe ended the band altogether. I could actually see them taking a similar path to that of Alice In Chains, where the frontman didn't care/wasn't healthy enough to do much touring towards the end and the band pretty much went on indefinite hiatus.



What about a situation like Guns N' Roses now where Axl is still the front man but nobody else is there from the original band? I'm just curious. I think you're right that they wouldn't be doing fairs.
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DB wrote:


KGK wrote:


I'm not saying this as my opinion, I'm not sure. I just want to instigate a little, I guess.

Would Nirvana and Kurt Cobain be as big as they are if he hadn't killed himself or would they be the equivalent of a band like Poison? I could see Cobain touring county fairs the world over.


Death always helps somebody (see Jackson, Michael), still if you think that is the sole reason for Nirvana's "hugeness," then I have to disagree.

As far as Cobain doing county fairs, that might be the farthest thing from what they'd probably be doing (after all, they weren't the Spin Doctors). The guy was barely interested in playing the big tours and was pulling back on his celebrity at the time of his death. I wouldn't be surprised if he had become more reclusive post-1994 while Grohl and Novoselic worked on other projects...maybe ended the band altogether. I could actually see them taking a similar path to that of Alice In Chains, where the frontman didn't care/wasn't healthy enough to do much touring towards the end and the band pretty much went on indefinite hiatus.



What about a situation like Guns N' Roses now where Axl is still the front man but nobody else is there from the original band? I'm just curious. I think you're right that they wouldn't be doing fairs.


In the case of GNR, I think it has to do a lot with Rose's irascible personality. He tried to make it his show, when in truth guys like Duff, Izzy and even Slash (who is overrated, in my view) had a large amount of creative input in GNR's music...Personality conflicts drove that band apart.

In Nirvana's case, I don't think there was any doubt as to whose vehicle that was...Cobain was the man, but he and Novoselic's partnership was the core, and I don't think Cobain would have continued Nirvana without the big bassist, but they actually went through a slough of drummers before Grohl.
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KGK_old
I think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame should be shut down immediately before the kids of today are grown-ups and they try putting in their crappy music.
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dkelly28
My biggest snub - "Weird Al" Yankovic. He has had such a huge effect on parody music and pop music in general. He's outlasted a lot of the artists he's parodied.
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dfnewburry
Alice Cooper and Kiss are the two biggest snubs in my opinion .

Just need to eat a shotgun or vote Obama and the drones will vote them in .








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